[richywilts]

was hoping for staff to work overtime thru the summer etc to cope with all new work but to be honest they dont seem to motivated

hard to get them to work weekends too

can i make it compulsory for overtime to be worked sure i had it written in one of my old contracts of work cant remember where tho

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

Nope is the answer m8

[sunshine windows]

Are you certain of that Gav. People that have had 'stand down' time off at Honda are forced to pay it back with 1 hour compulsory each evening, they even have to do a certain amount of Saturdays too.

Different scenario I know, but I'm sure it's compulsory.

[Stephen.C]

was hoping for staff to work overtime thru the summer etc to cope with all new work but to be honest they dont seem to motivated

hard to get them to work weekends too

can i make it compulsory for overtime to be worked sure i had it written in one of my old contracts of work cant remember where tho

Don't be so bloody stupid.
I bet your a delight to work for, no you cant.

[Richard iSparkle]

was hoping for staff to work overtime thru the summer etc to cope with all new work but to be honest they dont seem to motivated

hard to get them to work weekends too

can i make it compulsory for overtime to be worked sure i had it written in one of my old contracts of work cant remember where tho

we have in our contracts that they may be required to work weekends and late as the business requires.  i guess i wouldnt get away with making them do it for long tho...  they can just leave cant they

[Stephen.C]

Are you certain of that Gav. People that have had 'stand down' time off at Honda are forced to pay it back with 1 hour compulsory each evening, they even have to do a certain amount of Saturdays too.

Different scenario I know, but I'm sure it's compulsory.

No mate that's banked hours, and it was negotiated at national level with the union as it might affect other car plants.

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

Don't be so bloody stupid.
I bet your a delight to work for, no you cant.

 

[richywilts]

WELL YEAH I AM WHEN YOU PAY THEM DECENT MONEY THRU THE WINTER WHEN YOU COULD CUT THERE HOURS  BUT EXPECT A LITTLE BACK IN THE SUMMER AND IT DOESNT HAPPEN WHEN YOUR EXPECTING A BIG GROWTH THEN YEAH I DO GET MIFFED WHEN YOU HAVE TOOK THREE OF YOUR FRIENDS OFF THE DOLE STRUGGLING TO FIND WORK BOUT STACKING PALLETS FOR 12 HOURS ETC AT A GLASS FACTORY

[wfp master]

they might like stacking pallets.

[g.brookes]

you can only do what is stated in a contract that both of you have signed.  simple as that really

[roundbuilder]

Richy i also get this problem time to time. Answere is to go out sat and do it yourself or go do hour or 2 when vans come back..after all its your business at the end of the day. Im having endless amounts of troubles getting all my first cleans done on time as not enough hours in the day and staff dont want to work overtime all the time which is understandable so needs must to get it all done on time, i know how you feel nothing worse than knowing you have dead money not being earnt. I hate it.

[Alistair@AWC]

TOOK THREE OF YOUR FRIENDS OFF THE DOLE

And there lies your problem Richy!

[wfp master]

TOOK THREE OF YOUR FRIENDS OFF THE DOLE

And there lies your problem Richy!

aye they a ripping him a new a**hole

[richard jagger]

Some were at the back of my mind, I have this friend thing before.

[richywilts]

dont get me wrong they do work hard and im quite happy to take on part timers but when you have staff winging about money issues etc asking for subs 2 weeks after monthly pay but then there not prepared to work for it im getting fed up they were all aware that come summer time i was gonna need extra off them to turn business round so card are being laid on table next week d-day they either except i expect them to work longer hours to complete there worksheets for the day or do extra work or then on there merry way bk to the dole

ive got some nice decent contracts now and can begin dumping the messers business is looking good just need to sort van and staff issues out

[Don Kee]

For arguments sake lets say your guys do there job well.
You gave them a job, they do the job....why do they owe you anything??
Because they've done what they're paid for??
Whether you helped them out or there your best mates shouldn't come into it....
Sounds to me like you keep wanting favours from oeople buddy, and think everyone owes you something...
Then again, it is a forum, so may be coming across wrong....

[Stephen.C]

WELL YEAH I AM WHEN YOU PAY THEM DECENT MONEY THRU THE WINTER WHEN YOU COULD CUT THERE HOURS  BUT EXPECT A LITTLE BACK IN THE SUMMER AND IT DOESNT HAPPEN WHEN YOUR EXPECTING A BIG GROWTH THEN YEAH I DO GET MIFFED WHEN YOU HAVE TOOK THREE OF YOUR FRIENDS OFF THE DOLE STRUGGLING TO FIND WORK BOUT STACKING PALLETS FOR 12 HOURS ETC AT A GLASS FACTORY

LOL stop shouting and stop being a plum.

[Stephen.C]

dont get me wrong they do work hard and im quite happy to take on part timers but when you have staff winging about money issues etc asking for subs 2 weeks after monthly pay but then there not prepared to work for it im getting fed up they were all aware that come summer time i was gonna need extra off them to turn business round so card are being laid on table next week d-day they either except i expect them to work longer hours to complete there worksheets for the day or do extra work or then on there merry way bk to the dole

ive got some nice decent contracts now and can begin dumping the messers business is looking good just need to sort van and staff issues out

Incredible you couldn't make it up could you?

[austin]

answer is employ a polish worker they seem the only people who want to work all the hours you can give them.sad as it is but they seem the only people who really want to work.have had the same problem.

[CLEANCARE WC]

Get back on the tools and have 2 part timers working with you...

No more problems!

[Stephen.C]

Get back on the tools and have 2 part timers working with you...

No more problems!

there you go good answer.

[richywilts]

dont get me wrong they do work hard and im quite happy to take on part timers but when you have staff winging about money issues etc asking for subs 2 weeks after monthly pay but then there not prepared to work for it im getting fed up they were all aware that come summer time i was gonna need extra off them to turn business round so card are being laid on table next week d-day they either except i expect them to work longer hours to complete there worksheets for the day or do extra work or then on there merry way bk to the dole

ive got some nice decent contracts now and can begin dumping the messers business is looking good just need to sort van and staff issues out

Incredible you couldn't make it up could you?

whats so incredible stephen??? why the sarcastic tone

[Stephen.C]

You know the answers to your own questions, come on get a grip.

[richywilts]

i do a lot of the time i post on here i use it as a sounding board to run past other people beforehand a lot of the time just to see other peoples opinions to guage whether to run with something or not

[mark dew]

business is looking good just need to sort van and staff issues out

 

[sunshine windows]

Stephen banked hours means just that. They have accredited hours in the bank that they are entitled to take off. Not one Honda employee I know has any in the bank to be taken at will. They were all 'stood down' for weeks meaning they owe the company and are expected to work compulsory overtime to pay the hours back.

Richy, unless you've got it in a contract, I don't think there's much point in persuing it

[gavinb]

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/working-time-limits-the-48-hour-week

Have a look on here you may find something of use ?

[Ste M]

Richy the contract you had it in was called corridor hours. Basically you were laid off on a friday an those hours where then 'banked' so to say an when the busy time came you worked them for nothing as you'd already been paid. What the company did do however was if you'd banked 8 hours on a friday but wanted you to work a sat (time an a half) they'd let you do say 10 hours. 5.6 ish hours would be from your bank an the remainder would be paid as overtime.

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

If it was already written in a contract Im sure you wouldn't be asking on here.

As you cant make anybody do anything; of course there will be those who think they can, but they're called bullies. But you cant employ someone and because you think you've done them a favour as they're mates make them work extra time and expect them to jump this or that high when you click your fingers.

Most people who are employed have lives outside work. Quite often it comes before their willingness to immerse themselves into 70 + hour working weeks.

[Richard iSparkle]

What you could do is have a meeting with them and say the business is in a bit of trouble and needs everyone who works here to do extra for the next couple of months. I understand if you are not able to do this, but if you are not then I will have to give you your notice as for this business to survive I need everyone to do extra.

I wouldnt be quite as blunt as that...  but thats the gist of it!

 

[Spruce]

Remember we have a 48 hour maximum working week in this country.

[brianbarber]

As you say these workers were friends.....

That's your problem, they usually take the p big time.
Plus if from factory environment they usually jobs worth.......

Mr B

[Richard iSparkle]

Remember we have a 48 hour maximum working week in this country.

not if they sign an opt out when they sign their contract ;-)

[Paul Clapham]

You can ask / tell your employees to sign a new "side letter to their contracts" , which out lines new working conditions ie extra working hours during busy times or if you get behind with work because of the weather etc etc.

If they don't want to sign get rid , and don't employ friends ever.

 There must be loads of unemployed people in your area who really are willing to work, interview loads and put the best ones on a test for a month or so and push them hard to see how they get on before employing.

 I would also add when I was growing my old business , (in a different industry) we only grew each time we had the staff working well and under team leaders before we added extra growth, going for growth without an excellent staff structure is not good for the growth of your / any business.

Good luck.