[Mist A Bit]

Anyone using ppb yet, is it worth paying for in terms of extra speed

[scottt24]

I personally use water upto about 10 - 15 ppm and don't notice any difference in speed than when I have fresh resin in
Can't really see how ppb will make much difference

[Ian101]

i was going to invest but decided to wait for the parts per trillion to come out 

[bobplum]

its going to be like the razor blade syndrome,"3 blades,the closest a man can get"  "4 blades...the best a man can get and  so on

[gavinb]

Im currently designing a system that will produce water to parts per quadrillion .

[Ian101]

Im currently designing a system that will produce water to parts per quadrillion .

ok will wait for that then ..........  stuff the parts per trillion idea

[richard jagger]

I THINK THIS IS FOR THE NUTS IN OUR BUSINESS.

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

If 10 PPM is okay to use, and IMO it is, why are you considering using water at 0.0010 PPM which is what we are talking about here, 1,000 times cleaner?

Why would you want or need that?

[colin purewater]

Ppb wasn't designed for us normal window cleaners!
It was designed for the big boys who do massive
Contracts on a yearly+ schedule!

Windows   that don't  get done offered and are green and
Full of  gunk etc
 The hot ppb system will come in to its own  then
And be worth every penny on time saved if you did a lot
If really minging jobs.

[gavinb]

But whats the point ? When 10 ppm will suffice !!!
Just another marketing ploy from the big boys .

[colin purewater]

But whats the point ? When 10 ppm will suffice !!!
Just another marketing ploy from the big boys .

010 ppm is fine on maintenance clean and won't
Leave spotting etc

But when clean REALLY dirty stuff 010 won't cut
Though the dirt any where near as fast as ppb
Machine

[CLEANCARE WC]

What a load of rubbish ppb will not clean any better than ppm it is the scrubbing that does the cleaning the only reason we use pure water 0 ppm as us mortals know it is for the rinse so we dont leave water marks etc.

Yes its a little agressive but its the brush that does the work.

Anyone who falls for this probably bought the emperors 2nd hand clothes too!

And as for use on yearly or even less frequent jobs.. Still clap trap it is not magic water that melts dirt.

Scrub and rinse correctly with anything under 10 ppm job done. End of

[wfp master]

Scrub scrub.

[colin purewater]

What a load of rubbish ppb will not clean any better than ppm it is the scrubbing that does the cleaning the only reason we use pure water 0 ppm as us mortals know it is for the rinse so we dont leave water marks etc.

Yes its a little agressive but its the brush that does the work.

Anyone who falls for this probably bought the emperors 2nd hand clothes too!

And as for use on yearly or even less frequent jobs.. Still clap trap it is not magic water that melts dirt.

Scrub and rinse correctly with anything under 10 ppm job done. End of

Are you trying to tell me I've been walking round
Naked all this Time?

[CLEANCARE WC]

What a load of rubbish ppb will not clean any better than ppm it is the scrubbing that does the cleaning the only reason we use pure water 0 ppm as us mortals know it is for the rinse so we dont leave water marks etc.

Yes its a little agressive but its the brush that does the work.

Anyone who falls for this probably bought the emperors 2nd hand clothes too!

And as for use on yearly or even less frequent jobs.. Still clap trap it is not magic water that melts dirt.

Scrub and rinse correctly with anything under 10 ppm job done. End of

Are you trying to tell me I've been walking round
Naked all this Time?


I hope not Colin 

[Mike @ Facelift]

I find it interesting that the explanation is ...."PPB is for large commerical window cleaners who only clean once a year"

In the USA, almost all windows are cleaned only once or twice yearly. Basically every window clean in the USA is like a first clean in the UK. (not my words)

They still use normal RO/DI and results are obviously good enough to keep there customers happy.

[Nathanael Jones]

For the sake of simplicity I'm going to use round numbers in this explanation - but do the math with your own TDS readings and see for your self what a steaming pile of Bull poo the "1000x better" marketing lie from Ionics is.

I have a 1000 litre static tank, a tap TDS of 300 and for the sake of math, lets say I use water at 001 (I always aim for 000).

So - 1000 litres = 1000,000 (1 million) milliliters - with water 1ml = 1gram, so 1000 litres of tap water contains 300grams of dissolved solids - of which my RO & DI remove 299 grams.

Keeping up so far?? Lets try that math with a system kicking out 1PPB:

My 1000 litre tank still contains 300grams of dissolved solids, the fancy new system now removes 299.999grams of dissolved solids - nearly a whole extra gram!!

So - the PPB system actually removes 0.333% (One third of one percent) more dissolved solids from my water - - instead of 1000x better its actually 0.00333x better.

It is however 1000x better at telling you when you need to change your filters - so consumables on these systems probably make their manufacturers more profit,..

[Goldoak cleaning specialists]

Id love one iv seen the system but like people have said.000 is fine 010 is fine its just another machine that does clean water more but that more is a little pointless. Its just there if u have the money. Its like the boxter and then the 3.5 Boxter thats all u get is another 7mph top end..not really worth it. .

Honestly if I had a spare 14k hanging around id buy one only because life to short and could say I had one.

[dazmond]

most of my regular maintenance window cleaning work is relatively clean so only need a quick scrub and rinse in most cases so i dont think ill be investing in "part per billion"

[PoleKing]

Nat-Genius!
Knew it was BS from Ionic but your explanation is brilliant!