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robertphil

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Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2013, 08:32:59 pm »
im only interested in doing it the trad way .  i remember when i started up about 6 yrs ago now, i had enough money to start up wfp ,ten times over, but its not for me .

 i like the simple  efficient way of doing things , my workers feel the same way-iv heard them saying it .

 i would always buy the base model van rather than 1 with electric windows etc , less to go wrong
What a very small mind you have.
fight u anyday Tubby :-)

Johnny B

  • Posts: 2385
Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2013, 09:49:05 pm »
To answer the OP, I still work trad 'cos that's my choice and I love it! I'm now in my 17th year.

And like Robertphil, the van I drive ('99 Fiesta 1.8D) has no fancy toys that can go wrong.

If I were to change over to wfp (no chance btw) I would hate to think that I would become a brown-noser like so many who have seem to be. 
 
John
Being diplomatic is being able to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.

DG Cleaning

  • Posts: 1726
Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2013, 10:02:00 pm »
To answer the OP, I still work trad 'cos that's my choice and I love it! I'm now in my 17th year.

And like Robertphil, the van I drive ('99 Fiesta 1.8D) has no fancy toys that can go wrong.

If I were to change over to wfp (no chance btw) I would hate to think that I would become a brown-noser like so many who have seem to be. 
 
John

Is that what's stopping you?

Johnny B

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Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2013, 10:11:25 pm »
No. I choose to work trad. It makes me smile that some wfp guys can't resist showing their insecurities by belittling those of us who use a method which used to be good enough for them.

As I said, I am in my 17th year in this game, I am 50 years of age, fit enough, and careful enough and able to supply all my customers' window cleaning needs with the equipment I have.

John

Being diplomatic is being able to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.

DG Cleaning

  • Posts: 1726
Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2013, 10:16:54 pm »
Got to agree with you on a few points Johnny, there does seem to be a fair bit of snobbery from wfp cleaners towards trad. ;D

dan hughes

  • Posts: 397
Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2013, 10:24:50 pm »
 ;D

I enjoy doing TRAD. !

Simple as.

David Kent @ KentKleen

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Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2013, 10:25:57 pm »
No lads, the question was, why are some guys still trad. Not look how great all the pole guys are. Try not to spend too much time on self praise. Pointing out how stupid anyone who works trad is. They don't bother WFP advanced clever multimillionares who bang out 400 a day yawn bore bore.

I love to see the pigeon chested guys on here preening themselves infront of their mirrors and forgetting that they are the bottom of the food chain when it comes to services!!! ;D ;D ;D

We clean windows lads. It's not high tech. Some can't provide a full service. They can't clean over a certain height where some others can. Some don't even know how to clean insides of windows.

WFP has caused loads of redundant workers to provide exactly the same service as the rest of us. So sit back, and watch your area get a bit smaller, and a bit smaller...............

My custies are all off back to UK in the next few years, so thank God I can provide another service like carpet & upholstery cleaning. Very lucrative and a lot better than Stan Ogden's old job. I've earned well from this malarky, but it's nearly time to go.
Never believed I'd hear from snobby window cleaners!! pmsl  ;D ;D ;D

Keep it up all you new wfp's. Its a magic wand, quick splash and dash wheres the cash!!
Its easy everyone should do it! Then leave doing a proper job too the rest of us!!

Welcome back COZY! Don't all your customers windows open in over???? lol

MATT BATEMAN (OWC)

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Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2013, 12:20:15 am »
Welcome back Cozy? He's never been away.

MATT BATEMAN (OWC)

  • Posts: 1821
Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2013, 12:22:04 am »
;D

I enjoy doing TRAD. !

Simple as.

I enjoy trad but enjoying it doesn't pay for my 3 foreign holidays a year. Crack on fellas.

C o z y

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Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2013, 12:23:27 am »
Thank you lads  ;)
No still don't understand, I must be thick

rosskesava

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Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2013, 12:25:21 am »
I'm mainly wfp but I still do some bungalows jobs trad because it quicker and obviously, shops in the main aren't worth doing wfp.

In many ways, when I was 100% trad life was simpler. Ladders, bucket, mop and squeegie, cloths, a few chemicals for 1st cleans, no complications and no complaints.

I don't blame anyone for staying 100% trad and yes, I earn more wfp but it is more hassle.
Just chant..... Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It's beats chanting Tory Tory or Labour Labour.

toronto

  • Posts: 44
Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #51 on: March 14, 2013, 12:30:22 am »
I'm mainly wfp but I still do some bungalows jobs trad because it quicker and obviously, shops in the main aren't worth doing wfp.

In many ways, when I was 100% trad life was simpler. Ladders, bucket, mop and squeegie, cloths, a few chemicals for 1st cleans, no complications and no complaints.

I don't blame anyone for staying 100% trad and yes, I earn more wfp but it is more hassle.

I second that. I liked trad too I make excuses like safety better job more versatile but the big reason I don't trad is wfp is quicker and quicker = more money.
I know I felt fitter when I was on the ladders day in day out and you see places few others see  ;)

Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #52 on: March 14, 2013, 12:54:17 am »
;D

I enjoy doing TRAD. !

Simple as.

I enjoy trad but enjoying it doesn't pay for my 3 foreign holidays a year. Crack on fellas.

Wales, Isle of Wight and Norfolk?

MATT BATEMAN (OWC)

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Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #53 on: March 14, 2013, 01:00:47 am »
  ;D

Frankybadboy

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Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #54 on: March 14, 2013, 07:10:50 am »
i look down at all you bloody silly sods when iam at top of me ladder ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

simonr

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Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #55 on: March 14, 2013, 07:27:50 am »
I'm mainly wfp but I still do some bungalows jobs trad because it quicker and obviously, shops in the main aren't worth doing wfp.

In many ways, when I was 100% trad life was simpler. Ladders, bucket, mop and squeegie, cloths, a few chemicals for 1st cleans, no complications and no complaints.

I don't blame anyone for staying 100% trad and yes, I earn more wfp but it is more hassle.

I second that. I liked trad too I make excuses like safety better job more versatile but the big reason I don't trad is wfp is quicker and quicker = more money.
I know I felt fitter when I was on the ladders day in day out and you see places few others see  ;)

i put a stone on when i stopped ladder work, its taken a year to get it off. also i miss seeing boozed up birds sprawled out on the bed on a saturday morning  :'(

dazmond

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Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2013, 07:51:04 am »
i dont miss trad using ladders at all.16 years climbing ladders 100+ TIMES A DAY!no thanks!! ;D ;D

if you dont know any different then trad can seem ok but its the "horse and cart" of window cleaning these days!

i work more in bad weather.i used to be heading off home or not even getting out of bed on freezing/wet mornings.

i earn far more than on the ladders due to working quicker and being able to clean bigger awkward properties that previously would have been too dangerous off ladders plus all the add on jobs that go along with wfp.

even with the extra cost of van and equipment with wfp im still left with a lot more money than trad only window cleaning.

oh and im working less hours than i used to and im a lot safer when working!

whats not to like about WFP?

ITS MADE A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE to my earning power in less than 3 years.

trad only is slower,harder work and ultimately you make less money even though you work harder and longer plus its more likely that you could have a nasty accident and be off work for months or it could just kill you if you have a bad fall.

if your still trad then IMO your nuts!!plain and simple! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
price higher/work harder!

roundbuilder

Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #57 on: March 14, 2013, 08:34:51 am »
Totally nuts. What nutjob would choose to climb ladders all day everyday risking an injury to earn half of what he could wfp working safely. You can get set up for £500-£1000 2nd hand now days... There is no excuse but lack of self confidence regardi g the changeover from trad to wfp.... Sort it out tradders loads more dosh to be had if you bite the bullet..

Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #58 on: March 14, 2013, 09:18:18 am »
There is only one reason that there are still do trad full time.Its having to save up a meager income and spending on WFP equipment. Lets face it,it costs money to change.I don`t see them as opposites at all.But part of the same business.I do both as I cannot use a pole inside and in shopping centres. Anyone using only one system is the loser as they both have merit.

Re: why some still work traditional?
« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2013, 09:23:38 am »
im only interested in doing it the trad way .  i remember when i started up about 6 yrs ago now, i had enough money to start up wfp ,ten times over, but its not for me .

 i like the simple  efficient way of doing things , my workers feel the same way-iv heard them saying it .

 i would always buy the base model van rather than 1 with electric windows etc , less to go wrong
Admirable. Why are you writing on a computer instead of a piece of paper. Less to go wrong on paper...