[Great Outdoors]

I think I have spotted a common theme ...

Imagine rob at a trade show (Julian clary voice)

'Hello sir , what's the name of your machine ?' ... Sales guy 'delta' rob 'er no thank you'
Skips to the Next stand same q, answer ' cobra' rob 'not bad dear'

This continues until eventually he gets the answer 'hot and mighty' robs reply 'ow yes please big boy'

And this process continues.... Thor....big brute ...  

Mike  

Was going to expand this but at work at mo will try later 

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I think I have spotted a common theme ...

Imagine rob at a trade show (Julian clary voice)

'Hello sir , what's the name of your machine ?' ... Sales guy 'delta' rob 'er no thank you'
Skips to the Next stand same q, answer ' cobra' rob 'not bad dear'

This continues until eventually he gets the answer 'hot and mighty' robs reply 'ow yes please big boy'

And this process continues.... Thor....big brute ...  

Mike  

Was going to expand this but at work at mo will try later 

 

[gary evans]

Hi Rob

Did you ever give Whale a call thats the one I told you about ages ago, probably very expensive though

Gary

[Roger Oakley]

I am in Staines.I wont be popping in.
Rob

Bang goes the neighbourhood  about time they did that store.

[trevor perry]

Rob i know they use these recycling systems a lot in america but the main problem i see is the surfaces they clean contain much less moss and loose sand etc as they clean mainly concrete areas so although there is some muck to be recycled there is nowhere near as much as our cleaning tasks generate.
 The Brute looks an impressive machine but i would like to see it working on a mosmatic head cleaning on an uneven surface i would also like to see how it copes with discharging this dirt. Finally all the large sediment that is left where will this be stored and how often will this container need emptying and how long will this take.
  I hope the idea works but i am glad it is your money that is trialing the idea, if it does work i am sure many will follow.
GOOD LUCK

[chris scott]

So the system is "just " designed to reuse water so you dont have to "carry" so much?
It's not being used for cleaning water to be disposed of down a rain water grid. If this is the case would it not be far easier/cheaper to use residue pumps to recirculate to a filter system for reuse?

[Roger Oakley]

Rob,
As Trevor has stated, paving in the USA is slightly different to what we have, mainly concrete, Pic and they seal nearly all there block paving so don't have the issues that we have over here, IE sand, moss etc. That's why they look so good. The H&M recycle system is OK, but again has the filter issue, Martin Whitbread (Gum Clear) bought one over, and had to have it totally re-built as it kept blocking up, he did manage to get a system going with a lot of success from what I remember, he might be worth speaking to?
Colin the guy who did the H&M transfer with you & me did a lot of that re-build for Martin, so might be worth speaking to him also, as it did handle block paving in the end, but how they did it, I don't know.

[BDCS]

I don't know much about the filtration systems but I think the vacuum which collects the debris in the vacuum vessel is the wrong idea. The tech clean and big brute have a system where they suck through a sediment tank which saves you having to lift the motor head off every time it needs to be emptied. I personally if I were to go down this route I would have the intermediate vessel on a tipping pivot so it could be easily emptied into a barrow.

[Rob_Mac]

Gary

I never contacted whale - completely forgot!!! I am edging towards the Big Brute though if it does as I am told it will.

Roger, Chris, Carl, Trevor

It will have a settlement tank before the main vacuum, the hope is to use bag filtration to take out all the crap in the water. I have found more than one option to take care of this and there may be another bag filter at a very small micron of filtration, just before the inlet or outlet of the main tank. All of these may well need emptying throughout the day but will be set up to be easily viewed and emptied.

Some may well be asking why go to all this effort - Water is always a nightmare on all of our works, what I have spent on water bills in the last two years would have paid for this outright, no stopping , on flat work is a godsend.

I have got other avenues for the set up as well.

Rob

Rob

[chris scott]

A residue pump will do the same thing at a fraction of the cost .Smaller/less weight to transport etc. Why don't you lower the flow and up the pressure if saving water is a problem? 15litres per min at 4000/5000psi  I take it you are only cleaning block or concrete?

[Rob_Mac]

Chris

Without going into too much detail - it is a component part of a much bigger idea for one.

Also at the last job of the year, last year, innocently we flooded a lift shaft.

We were running water from a hydrant about 100 metres away, up on a 1st floor car park, well away from where we were working, it was not practical to keep running up and down to keep turning off the water.

So we let it run into what we were told was an outside drain, no one, us or the construction management checked what this open grid was for, more presumption that it was a drain.

I have had a bill that will be coming off my invoice for a heckuva lot of money, so another reason to have it as a permanent fitting on the works vehicle/s is to take care of any future issues.

I try not to buy things with a sole purpose and try and build something around the bigger bits of kit, I do work on a thought process that if you buy tried & tested and at what is affordable at the time then there shouldn't be a reason to buy twice.

On store fronts the Big Brute will give me more suction than I will need, which is a lot of security when you have clients customers walking past all the time.

Once set up I can sell that on to the contract management I work with and I would expect that it will also give us a much quicker cleaning process because we can move forward quicker.

Rob

[Rob_Mac]

Chris

how would you set up a residue pump on a FSC or is your thinking something else because I don't create reservoirs of water (unless it is a supposed drain) so they operate down to 1mm but need to be submerged.

Rob

[chris scott]

There is ALWAYS a low spot on a floor...a residue pump will clear to 1/2mm of water.So a low spot can be 2/3 mm deep...ie a puddle.
It does not have to be submerged to work...it needs to be primed to start working( a plastic bucket will suffice) then it will work all day in 1/2mm of water.
Drains can be sandbaged to prevent contamination of rainwater drains. Water can then be pumped to filter/foulwater/toilet for disposal.
My pump clears 200lpm it is about a foot high 8 inch dia and 110v. Costs about £300 new or £100 of fleabay. It will handly crappy water i put ours in an onion sack to "filter" out the big lumps .. sediment can by baged for safe disposal of site.

[Rob_Mac]

Ok

I couldn't do that for my work.

Cheers

Rob

[chris scott]

Just reread my post...The pump does not HAVE to be in 1mm of water it will carry on pumping till the surface is dry(or less than 1mm)  as more water comes it will just keep shifting it.
How do you manage to keep the substrate free of water (less than 1mm) using your present method ?

[Rob_Mac]

Store fronts on lives stores are generally done at night but there are occasions when we have to work them on days.

As it stands there are sllp hazards created and we need to create a safe working area of barriers, hoses to the works area/s are coned down their length and warning signs are displayed, we have to have either someone standing to pull trolleys over the hoses or have a ramp set up on either side. The pressure washing barrier set up can be time consuming to set up, manage and is generally a much bigger area than what is required. This has to be broken down and set up time and time again, falls over in windy conditions and generally adds a lot of time to our works. The hoses most of the time can be run against walls, kerbs etc and are the least of worries.

If I can take to the client a system that will, at the working end, clean next to someones foot (who may be a passerby, client, contractor, customer etc) and not cause any issues and won't splash them at all it has massive value because I can guarantee they wont get wet and there wont be any recriminations against myself, the contractor or store.

If all water expelled from the working end is captured, less the damp floor then it is a perfect system for me.

Rob  

[chris scott]

A safe working area will come with whatever method you use..no getting away from that.Best way to prevent the public getting "wet feet" is by making sure they are not near the water.
 I just don't see the advantage of hoovering up over the pump system ( i can see the disadvantages). The client will  accept that the substrate will be wet due to the method used...until he is told otherwise.
 Does he close his store because of rain?   Am i missing something?

[Rob_Mac]

Yes you are

Rob

[trevor perry]

i can see how you are aproaching this problem Rob and i hope it works for you, but have you thought of other options to tackle the same problem, with other threads you have mentioned the high flowrates you use and i can see benefits of this on some applications but for live stores with heavy pedestrian traffic would you not be better going down the low flowrate at high pressure with added heat thisa way a much less advanced recovery system would be needed.

[Rob_Mac]

Trevor

Yes I have looked at that but it is for more than flat pressure washing.

It is a business investment, potentially with multiple outlets.

With the higher flow rates and large hoover I am hoping to walk more quickly with this.

The Thor is 45LPM, the L/S is 2L/S and per minute 120L/M. The auto dump out is twice as much at 4L/S.

Multiple applications is the key.

Rob