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derek west

Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2013, 09:15:13 am »
£250,000,000 is spent on professional carpet cleaning each year.

































give or take £250,000,000 ;D

Craigp

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Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2013, 10:57:55 am »
Dont bother with business loan, it will be more expensive get a personal loan.

Dont invest massive amounts start off with cheap used portable and build up to better kit as you earn it.

Ian Gourlay

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Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2013, 11:06:41 am »
I do not believe your 1 in 10 figure regarding people who have carpets cleaned

How many houses in your area , how often do you see carpet cleaning van at neighbours.

If you said window cleaning could be.

If you must write a plan  why not base it on 25k turnover, 50k turnover, 75k turnover  and 100k

work out what you need to do  to achieve those targets and the outcome

All the above is possible the rest is meaningless

AshWhite

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Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2013, 11:07:16 am »
Dont bother with business loan, it will be more expensive get a personal loan.

Dont invest massive amounts start off with cheap used portable and build up to better kit as you earn it.

Could be using it for a grant?
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clarkson

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Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2013, 12:16:33 pm »
why do you need to write a business plan? are you trying to get funding from the bank?

if i was writing a business plan all it would say was...

I have average or above intelligence . I have enough money to buy my equipment get some training and pay my bills for 1 year

anything else i put is just waffle, if you don't have the 3 items I mention then don't bother starting. people fail because they are thick, or don't have the money to start, the population or market share or demographic make up of your area  is unimportant..... these limitation won't make you fail


yes but business plans are full of waffle, and the bank love it.

it makes me laugh they ask for projections, which are completely made up figures and then lend on it.

one thing i dont agree though mike is it makes financial sense to go to the bank for a start up. if you have  no money but are stuck in a dead end job, borrow 10 k for a used van a porty and some training and away you go. even on a little work and with the repayments to make you will still be better of.

and are you saying the guys who have brand new titans in brand new vans paid cash for them?

john

benny d

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Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2013, 04:35:14 pm »
When I did traing with Paul Pearce a few years ago. Im sure that he said that 14% of households have their carpets cleaned.
No idea if correct then, or now.

I have managed to do 0.0000000014%. But never mind...
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wynne jones

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Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2013, 04:56:44 pm »
Proving that carpet cleaning is a profitable industry on paper reminds me of when scientists say bumble bees shouldn't be able to fly, but they do.

It's definitely a shrinking market and more and more people are fancying their chances at it. But despite wood flooring, bissells, hire machines, the unhygienic English, beer money chancers and a flood of reluctant self employed, someone somewhere will start up tomorrow and make a ton of money.

It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Daren Morrish

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Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2013, 04:47:13 pm »
Update:

Have spoken to the NCCA, and they have no idea of either the size or the value of the UK carpet / upholstery cleaning industy.
 
They passed me on to a company that organises things like the cleaning show etc.

They also had no idea but reckoned there are around 100,000 odd carpet cleaning companys out there.

This includes all the big cleaning companys which include carpet cleaning with in there services, right down to all the one-man-bands and even the bloke in the pub who does a bit of carpet cleaning for some extra income. They guessed this was around 80% accurate.

Also, of all these companys only around 1000 are members of the NCCA, (a tiny amount)

Maybe Derek and TACCA can 'clean' up the remaining 99,000!!

John Kelly

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Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2013, 05:09:38 pm »
£1,575,000 b******s there are carpet cleaners in the North East alone who total more than that.
When I did research a few years ago it was estimated there were 15,000 dedicated carpet cleaning companies and by adding other businesses such as contract cleaners, builder etc it was around 28,000.

Paul Clapham

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Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2013, 05:17:32 pm »
Update:

Have spoken to the NCCA, and they have no idea of either the size or the value of the UK carpet / upholstery cleaning industy.



  ???  You would think they would have SOME IDEA , what a joke !
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Doctor Carpet (Ret'd)

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Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2013, 05:36:50 pm »
Update:

Have spoken to the NCCA, and they have no idea of either the size or the value of the UK carpet / upholstery cleaning industy.



  ???  You would think they would have SOME IDEA , what a joke !

Not neccessarily.

I bet if you were even able to ask HMRC they wouldn't be able to give you an accurate idea.

HMRC classify businesses by use of SIC codes-but there isn't an exclusive one for carpet and upholstery cleaning. I guess most of us would come under a SIC code for cleaning (general or specific) depending upon size of business and mix of services offered or area (of industry)of cleaning that we specialise in.

Rog
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Paul Clapham

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Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2013, 05:44:14 pm »
.............but I believe the NCCA  has over 1000 members , and have been running for years and years, they are in a position to survey their members to get  SOME IDEA of the size of the industry,  ::)roll
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Max Campbell

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Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2013, 07:00:25 pm »
Daren
If this is for a bank loan, then the only sensible thing to do is work backwards - you want the money, you have confidence it will work, so work out what turnover looks good enough to pay the loan and yourself, and then work back. At some point you'll be able to say "This is a market penetration of (tiny percentage)" and everyone will feel happy.

pristineclean

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Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2013, 07:01:12 pm »
I don't know whether this helps anyone or not, but I'm trying to develop a product for contract cleaning (having spent years trying to buy it) and in support of my research had to find out the UK market size for cleaning. The British Business Library has market reports compiled by Mint (formerly Mintel) and Keynote and they largely agreed on the following figures which are based on, as mentioned in another post, SIC codes.

The commercial cleaning industry is reported as being worth about £6.5bn annually - interestingly, when I last did this exercise back in 2003 (when I thought you had to know this kind of thing to start a cleaning company) the figure was in excess of £9.5bn and one of the reports I read stated that the reason for the seeming drop in revenue is explained by the fact that many companies now tend to establish themselves as soft service providers and incorporate cleaning activities into a wider range of services including gardening, reactive maintenance and so on.

The figures, of course, don't include sole traders and partnerships but that kind of balances out that a huge proportion of the stated industry turnover will be heading towards the large companies who dominate the industry.

Right, I'll go and do the post I came on to do now..

Quick edit - to give some context, I also had to look up domiciliary care(home care as opposed to care homes) at the BBL. Thats a fairly easy figure for market researchers to get since care agencies have to be registered. 65 000 companies are registered in the UK and the total turnover is £3.5bn.

Daren Morrish

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Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2013, 11:42:29 am »
Max,

Lucky this research is not for a loan of any sort. Just as well as I would have a hard job convincing a bank to lend me money, without being able to demonstrate the size of the market.

What I find interesting is that plenty of companys bring out new equipment, which obviously needs considerable research and design costs, and don't probally  know the size of the market, for the machine they are developing. Sounds mental.

Daren

Ian Gourlay

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Re: How big is the UK Carpet Cleaning Market?
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2013, 03:50:31 pm »
Thats another Subject

In my humble opinion what Advertising Companies , Machine Companies want are newcomers with redundancy money or a good credit rating to spend on their services.

Then they want the next wave etc etc etc