[dave f]

ive been thinking  about ordering a phonix carbon fiber pole has any body had extensive use of one ive been using gardiners for a while i fancied a change .

[dazmond]

how can anybody have extensive use of one as they ve only been out a few months!

just buy one mate!

i must admit the clamps look good.

i wont be buying one though as ive got a brand new 25ft stripped down SUPERMAX(its an SLX with ribbed sections!)as my main pole and 22ft CLX and a 40ft SUPERMAX.

in fact my new years resolution is to not buy any poles or expensive equipment this year.i already have spent a fair whack of money the last few years.

apart from the odd new brush,connectors etc im saving my money for a new van next year!


best wishes


dazmond

[dave f]

i should have put any exprience. hey ho live and learn

[R.C Property]

personally i would buy one, they are good, im buying 2 at the end of this month to upgrade my poles,
18ft full carbon, and the 26ft ultra light full carbon!

[STEVE-UK]

will be putting our 26ul up for sale shortly

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Y??

[Scrimble]

they aint full carbon fibre, the base section is fibreglass

[R.C Property]

they aint full carbon fibre, the base section is fibreglass

Even the gardiner poles aren't either, all the base sections are like that for protection against electric shocks.

[Alex Gardiner]

they aint full carbon fibre, the base section is fibreglass

Even the gardiner poles aren't either, all the base sections are like that for protection against electric shocks.

The SLX & Super-Max 'full carbon poles' have carbon fibre base sections with a very thin insulative layer (about 0.20mm) applied as a final wrap on top of the carbon section - therefore this is not 'as' the Phoenix is, as the Phoenix has a 100% fibre glass handle section.

[ben M]

will be putting our 26ul up for sale shortly

why?

[R.C Property]

they aint full carbon fibre, the base section is fibreglass

Even the gardiner poles aren't either, all the base sections are like that for protection against electric shocks.

The SLX & Super-Max 'full carbon poles' have carbon fibre base sections with a very thin insulative layer (about 0.20mm) applied as a final wrap on top of the carbon section - therefore this is not 'as' the Phoenix is, as the Phoenix has a 100% fibre glass handle section.

Oh yer, can remember you saying about that final layer now.

I don't mean this the wrong way or anything, it's just a general question,
Fibre glass is not conductive, carbon is
Could if the pole gets scratched around the base sections of the pole scrap off that fine layer and expose the carbon under it? Or is it hard enough coat to avoid this?

[Spruce]

they aint full carbon fibre, the base section is fibreglass

Even the gardiner poles aren't either, all the base sections are like that for protection against electric shocks.

The SLX & Super-Max 'full carbon poles' have carbon fibre base sections with a very thin insulative layer (about 0.20mm) applied as a final wrap on top of the carbon section - therefore this is not 'as' the Phoenix is, as the Phoenix has a 100% fibre glass handle section.

Oh yer, can remember you saying about that final layer now.

I don't mean this the wrong way or anything, it's just a general question,
Fibre glass is not conductive, carbon is
Could if the pole gets scratched around the base sections of the pole scrap off that fine layer and expose the carbon under it? Or is it hard enough coat to avoid this?

Water running down the pole will conduct electricity even with a full fibreglass base.

[Alex Gardiner]

I don't mean this the wrong way or anything, it's just a general question,
Fibre glass is not conductive, carbon is
Could if the pole gets scratched around the base sections of the pole scrap off that fine layer and expose the carbon under it? Or is it hard enough coat to avoid this?

It would have to be more than a scratch to penetrate into the carbon core of the section. It would consist of real damage and would be easily noticed.

We have sold over 10,000 of these carbon poles over the last 4-5 years and they have consistently performed well - to my knowledge we have had 2 real world situations where the tops of these poles have hit overhead power cables and have exploded/melted - in each of these cases the user at the bottom has felt nothing and has been completely safe despite holding a destroyed pole.

Also our poles are currently in use by one of the world's top aerospace company in the manufacture of planes and space shuttles. These poles have been tested by this company for electrical conductivity due to the arenas they are being used in - they have passed with flying colours.

I am confident that the measures taken represent the best option available whilst maintaining pole performance. However as has been mentioned when working with a pole pumping water in a wet environment nothing should be taken for granted!

[Mike @ Facelift]

It would have to be more than a scratch to penetrate into the carbon core of the section. It would consist of real damage and would be easily noticed.

Water Fed Pole competition aside.... You mean to tell us that 0.20mm of fibreglass would need "more than a scratch".... I can't see 0.20mm of most materials needing much a knock at all to pierce... Anyone else agree with that?

[R.C Property]

I don't mean this the wrong way or anything, it's just a general question,
Fibre glass is not conductive, carbon is
Could if the pole gets scratched around the base sections of the pole scrap off that fine layer and expose the carbon under it? Or is it hard enough coat to avoid this?

It would have to be more than a scratch to penetrate into the carbon core of the section. It would consist of real damage and would be easily noticed.

We have sold over 10,000 of these carbon poles over the last 4-5 years and they have consistently performed well - to my knowledge we have had 2 real world situations where the tops of these poles have hit overhead power cables and have exploded/melted - in each of these cases the user at the bottom has felt nothing and has been completely safe despite holding a destroyed pole.

Also our poles are currently in use by one of the world's top aerospace company in the manufacture of planes and space shuttles. These poles have been tested by this company for electrical conductivity due to the arenas they are being used in - they have passed with flying colours.

I am confident that the measures taken represent the best option available whilst maintaining pole performance. However as has been mentioned when working with a pole pumping water in a wet environment nothing should be taken for granted!

Thanks for the answer, just wondering that's all as with other tools that we have used in other trades had a protective cover but any damage we had to get them check out or changed.

[matthewprice]

just wondering could all the sections be covered this way to stop black hands

[R.C Property]

Just to give people a idea that 0.20mm is about the thickness of 4 sheet of a4 paper.

[Mike @ Facelift]

Just to give people a idea that 0.20mm is about the thickness of 4 sheet of a4 paper.

That depends on the thickness of the paper! 

[R.C Property]

Just to give people a idea that 0.20mm is about the thickness of 4 sheet of a4 paper.

That depends on the thickness of the paper! 

The average sheet of 20lb copier paper is 0.0038 inches thick, 0.09652mm

[R.C Property]

Just found something else that's 0.02mm thick.

Sagami Original 0.02 non-latex condoms are only 0.02mm (20 microns) thick, approximately one third the thickness of a standard latex condom