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Ian101

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Tax return self asessment
« on: December 27, 2012, 12:55:42 pm »
I know its got to be in before end of Jan but do you have to pay what you owe at same time ?

First year I paid an accountant to do all this but decided to do it myself this year as simple and straight foward.

appreciate I will have tp pay another amount June as well  :(

spongebob

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Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2012, 01:12:19 pm »
You will make your return for 2011/2012 by the end of jan 2103. You will have paid amounts on account for 2011/12 possibly already. Once you have a final figure then you either pay a further balancing payment by the end of jan or request a refund.
Dont forget you will also be paying a payment on account by the end of jan for this current year. That will be half of what you are declaring for 2011/12.
If you have had  a worse year this current year than last you can request to reduce your payment on account.
Good luck.

bobplum

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Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2012, 04:18:33 pm »
You will make your return for 2011/2012 by the end of jan 2103. You will have paid amounts on account for 2011/12 possibly already. Once you have a final figure then you either pay a further balancing payment by the end of jan or request a refund.
Dont forget you will also be paying a payment on account by the end of jan for this current year. That will be half of what you are declaring for 2011/12.
If you have had  a worse year this current year than last you can request to reduce your payment on account.
Good luck.


i stand corrected on this but you pay on account if the last payment was over £1000

tompoole

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Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2012, 05:07:13 pm »
Yes2011/12 will be due on 31st if you haven't already paid up.
Also a 6 months average will need to be paid on 2012/13
And remainer will be due in June/ July.

bobplum

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Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2012, 07:30:04 pm »
Payments on account - when do you need to pay them?
You may have to make payments on account towards the current year's tax.
You usually have to make these payments if the tax due for the previous year was over £1,000. But if more than 80 per cent of this tax has already been collected at source, you won't have to make payments on account.
If you do make payments on account, you will make two payments. Each payment is half of the tax due for the previous year.
You must pay the first instalment by 31 January in the current year and the second by the following 31 July. For example, for the tax year 2011-12 (6 April 2011 to 5 April 2012) the first payment on account is due on 31 January 2012. The second payment on account is due on 31 July 2012.
Example - no payments on account are needed
Mr L's tax bill for the 2010-11 tax year was £1,200.
£1,000 of this tax had already been collected at source on his savings.
As the tax collected at source is more than 80 per cent of the tax bill, Mr L won't have to make payments on account for the 2011-12 tax year.
He must pay any tax due for the 2011-12 tax year by the normal payment deadline of 31 January 2013.
Example - payments on account must be made
Mrs A completes her 2010-11 tax return and works out that she has £4,500 tax to pay for the year ending 5 April 2011. No tax has been collected at source.
She has already made two payments on account towards this amount - £2,000 in January 2011 and £2,000 in July 2011.
She must make a balancing payment of £500 by 31 January 2012.
Her payments on account for the 2011-12 tax year will be £2,250 each.
This is half of the tax that was due for 2010-11 (£4,500/2)
These payments are due on 31 January 2012 and 31 July 2012.
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If you think your payments on account are too high
If you know that your income for the current year will be lower than last year's, you can ask to reduce your payments on account. But:
if you pay less than you need to, HMRC will charge you interest
HMRC may ask you to pay a penalty too if they think you haven't taken reasonable care
You can reduce your payments on account in any of the following ways:
make a claim on the calculation pages of your tax return
sign on to HMRC Online Services and make a claim online
download, complete and send form SA303
If you realise that you've reduced your payments by too much - perhaps because your income turns out to be higher than you thought - please tell HMRC straight away.
You can do this online, download form SA303 or ring HMRC on the phone number on your Self Assessment Statement. If you delay you may have to pay interest and a penalty.
Log in or register for HMRC Online Services
Go to form SA303 Claim to reduce payments on account
Download a leaflet on taking reasonable care (PDF 265K)
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spongebob

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Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2012, 07:37:19 pm »
Bob
Wish mine were less than 1 grand!
They should make the whole process simpler and I think they would actually get more money in as a result.

Tom White

Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2012, 09:14:48 am »
I don't think it's that complicated.  It's helpful not to leave it till the last moment though; I had mine done in July (I probably done it when I was rained off) and it just means I'm not fretting about it over Christmas.  I'll try and do mine even sooner this year.

Mike #1

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Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2012, 07:33:46 am »
I gave up doing my own Tax return self assessment 5 yrs ago , I used to do it online but it became more complicated and when i phoned the helpline they could not help me as they only had the previous years version so could not help .

I would rather pay accountant £300 a year than do it myself .  ;D ;D. Mike

paul marshall

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Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2012, 06:48:37 am »
well i only started trading in april and thought tax returns etc were done in april :o :o :o
the more flyers i post , the luckier i seem to get ...

Steve Sed

Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2012, 07:02:12 am »
well i only started trading in april and thought tax returns etc were done in april :o :o :o
You are nearly right. The fiscal year is April to end March, but any tax due is payable by the end of the following January or you are fined for late payment.

paul marshall

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Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2012, 07:39:44 am »
and a happy new year to you  ;D ;Dthanx steve , get ready for lots of posts about tax in the next few weeks , mostly of me  ;D ;D
the more flyers i post , the luckier i seem to get ...

Mike #1

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Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2012, 07:46:56 am »
My Tax year runs from 6 th April up to 5th April the following year . which is the typical tax year

And you dont always get fined i was late paying mine this year and was charged a small amount of interest only .  Mike

Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2012, 08:05:36 am »
There is a difference between filing your return and paying the bill.

I thought the deadline for filing was Oct and payment the end of Jan??

Steve Sed

Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2012, 08:56:42 am »
My Tax year runs from 6 th April up to 5th April the following year . which is the typical tax year

And you dont always get fined i was late paying mine this year and was charged a small amount of interest only .  Mike

I did know about the proper dates but it is simpler to work on April to March.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_year#United_Kingdom

You must have pleaded to avoid the fine. I have avoided one as well with a phone call and a good case, but in general, it is an automatic fine.

Ian101

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Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2012, 03:54:59 pm »
Well thats it all done .... took about 3 hours with all the faffing about and checking a few things on google and HRRC website.

Next time will only take 30 minutes as know what to expect.

Saved myself prob £350 ish which a good accountant can more than likely get back for you but with all the info on net and here and other business forums i dont mind doing it myself.

Things I claimed for
Van expenses
Insurances
Office
Computer
Bank Interest / Charges
Water (nearly forgot that one !!!  :o )
Equipment

ETC ETC ETC

plus maybe some not so obvious ones

20% writing down allowance on van and system
45p a mile for missus going to bank 3 times a week at 8 mile round trip
Washing of uniform
Use of room as office and garage for water production

dont think I missed owt out

Anyone making a big purchase will want to know about the following

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/capital-allowances/plant.htm#3
Annual investment allowance

 Most businesses can claim an annual investment allowance for expenditure of up to £100,000 a year on most plant and machinery, apart from cars. In many cases (depending on your level of expenditure) this may mean that you can claim your entire expenditure on qualifying items against this allowance. A reduction in the annual investment allowance to £25,000 a year from 1 April 2012 for Corporation Tax, and from 6 April 2012 for Income Tax has been announced, subject to legislation.

 Annual investment allowance only applies for expenditure incurred on or after 1 April 2008 for Corporation Tax or 6 April 2008 for Income Tax. There is more information in this guide on annual investment allowances.

gewindows

Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2012, 04:39:33 pm »
I may have read this wrong, but I do t think you are fined for late payment. Fine is due for late submission of return but not payment.

Steve Sed

Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2012, 05:01:38 pm »
I saw that about the Annual Investment Allowance. Very handy for buying a van as long as it is used exclusively for work. I bought a Boxer last year and can offset the whole amount.

paul marshall

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Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2012, 07:59:04 pm »
ian it took you 3 hours me an the missus reckon it will take us 3 weeks , so dont be suprised if you get a phone call of me cos im terified , i think i got your number from the post sbout part time staff  :( :( :( :( :( :( :( ;D
the more flyers i post , the luckier i seem to get ...

Ian101

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Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2012, 08:06:45 pm »
0754 006 5555 any time before 6pm mate

paul marshall

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Re: Tax return self asessment
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2012, 08:29:00 pm »
thanx ian  ;D
the more flyers i post , the luckier i seem to get ...