[Crystal-clear]

no rich im thinking of employing so dont have one yet.
so from what i can gather is do what you think is right from dave (which i like) and from you guys make sure you have a contract in place
by the way can i get a contract from someone maybe daves seems full prove since he has sacked 3 people on the spot and never gone to court

Oh right, if you want a copy of the contract I have let me know and I could email u a copy to look at.

yes please rich could you send it to crystalclear.inbox@gmail.com

[R.C Property]

no rich im thinking of employing so dont have one yet.
so from what i can gather is do what you think is right from dave (which i like) and from you guys make sure you have a contract in place
by the way can i get a contract from someone maybe daves seems full prove since he has sacked 3 people on the spot and never gone to court

OK will do, it will be in a bit for you.
Oh right, if you want a copy of the contract I have let me know and I could email u a copy to look at.

yes please rich could you send it to crystalclear.inbox@gmail.com

[Dani J]

Best way to get rid of your bad staff, is to cut thier hours and eventually to pack up and go 

[Richard iSparkle]

Dave St Ives is right.

Firstly keep lots of notes on what they are doing wrong.  If anything goes to court this is your evidence and will reduce any payout if there is one.

Secondly they cannot claim unfair dismissal until they've worked 2 years for you.  That means unless they are pregnant, disabled, or classed as a racial minority they have no come back if you sack them.  this means yes you will get away with sacking them on the spot for whatever reason you come up with unless they're with you over 2 yrs.

It is recommended for staff that you give a warning, second warning, then possible dismissal, but these can all be done at the same time!

best thing to do is have a chat with them and encourage them to make the decision to leave.  i myself love the line 'I dont think you're happy here', and then if they say why hit them with all the things they dont do etc etc and say if you were happy you would do ...  they always decide to go when i have those chats with them...  and its usually on good terms 

[R.C Property]

Secondly they cannot claim unfair dismissal until they've worked 2 years for you.  That means unless they are pregnant, disabled, or classed as a racial minority they have no come back if you sack them.  this means yes you will get away with sacking them on the spot for whatever reason you come up with unless they're with you over 2 yrs.

its only 2 years if they are employeed after 6th april 2012, if it was beofre that then its 1 year!


https://www.gov.uk/dismissal/what-to-do-if-youre-dismissed

[Richard iSparkle]

Secondly they cannot claim unfair dismissal until they've worked 2 years for you.  That means unless they are pregnant, disabled, or classed as a racial minority they have no come back if you sack them.  this means yes you will get away with sacking them on the spot for whatever reason you come up with unless they're with you over 2 yrs.

its only 2 years if they are employeed after 6th april 2012, if it was beofre that then its 1 year!


https://www.gov.uk/dismissal/what-to-do-if-youre-dismissed

thanks Richard.  I wasnt aware of that.

[R.C Property]

Secondly they cannot claim unfair dismissal until they've worked 2 years for you.  That means unless they are pregnant, disabled, or classed as a racial minority they have no come back if you sack them.  this means yes you will get away with sacking them on the spot for whatever reason you come up with unless they're with you over 2 yrs.

its only 2 years if they are employeed after 6th april 2012, if it was beofre that then its 1 year!


https://www.gov.uk/dismissal/what-to-do-if-youre-dismissed

thanks Richard.  I wasnt aware of that.

no problem, also the citizens  advice bureau have it all here:-
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/work_e/work_work_comes_to_an_end_e/dismissal.htm

plus they have a section on there that states:-

Generally, to claim unfair dismissal, you have to have worked for your employer for at least one year if you started working for your employer before 6 April 2012 or two years if you started on or after 6 April 2012.

However, there are special rules for people who have worked for their employer for less than the required amount of time. See under headings Automatically unfair dismissal, and Step 3: have you been discriminated against.

[G Griffin]

Crystal Clear, do you want to employ someone or just sack them?  

I like it again, Bobby- "panic attack on buses"  .

[Richard iSparkle]

Secondly they cannot claim unfair dismissal until they've worked 2 years for you.  That means unless they are pregnant, disabled, or classed as a racial minority they have no come back if you sack them.  this means yes you will get away with sacking them on the spot for whatever reason you come up with unless they're with you over 2 yrs.

its only 2 years if they are employeed after 6th april 2012, if it was beofre that then its 1 year!


https://www.gov.uk/dismissal/what-to-do-if-youre-dismissed

thanks Richard.  I wasnt aware of that.

no problem, also the citizens  advice bureau have it all here:-
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/work_e/work_work_comes_to_an_end_e/dismissal.htm

plus they have a section on there that states:-

Generally, to claim unfair dismissal, you have to have worked for your employer for at least one year if you started working for your employer before 6 April 2012 or two years if you started on or after 6 April 2012.

However, there are special rules for people who have worked for their employer for less than the required amount of time. See under headings Automatically unfair dismissal, and Step 3: have you been discriminated against.

By being dicriminated against is where the

1. racial discrim
2. sex discrim (are they pregnant?)
3. disability discrim

become important... 

this is what i understand that HR legal teams worry about.  My wife has worked in employee relations HR for 15 years for Icelands so that's where I get my advice from! 

[R.C Property]

Secondly they cannot claim unfair dismissal until they've worked 2 years for you.  That means unless they are pregnant, disabled, or classed as a racial minority they have no come back if you sack them.  this means yes you will get away with sacking them on the spot for whatever reason you come up with unless they're with you over 2 yrs.

its only 2 years if they are employeed after 6th april 2012, if it was beofre that then its 1 year!


https://www.gov.uk/dismissal/what-to-do-if-youre-dismissed

thanks Richard.  I wasnt aware of that.

no problem, also the citizens  advice bureau have it all here:-
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/work_e/work_work_comes_to_an_end_e/dismissal.htm

plus they have a section on there that states:-

Generally, to claim unfair dismissal, you have to have worked for your employer for at least one year if you started working for your employer before 6 April 2012 or two years if you started on or after 6 April 2012.

However, there are special rules for people who have worked for their employer for less than the required amount of time. See under headings Automatically unfair dismissal, and Step 3: have you been discriminated against.

By being dicriminated against is where the

1. racial discrim
2. sex discrim (are they pregnant?)
3. disability discrim

become important... 

this is what i understand that HR legal teams worry about.  My wife has worked in employee relations HR for 15 years for Icelands so that's where I get my advice from! 

4. sexual orientation
5. age discrimination
6. your religion

there is another 3 to add to the list

[Crystal-clear]

Thanks for sending the contracts over rich, lol griff no. But I remember when I was employed many moons ago I would have sacked myself I don't want to be stuck with a non productive staff member looking at these posts it seems I'm ok taken note of the 2 year thing amongs everything els

[R.C Property]

Thanks for sending the contracts over rich, lol griff no. But I remember when I was employed many moons ago I would have sacked myself I don't want to be stuck with a non productive staff member looking at these posts it seems I'm ok taken note of the 2 year thing amongs everything els

no problem, hope you can get some ideas from them.