[Crystal-clear]

But if someone pes about , can you actually sack them im sure you have contracts they are on paye etc etc, has the law changed?

[Moderator David@stives]

Yes, you can do what you want, its your business.

If they want to persue you for unfair dismall for laziness, thats up to them.

Not doing your job could be Gross misconduct, I heard of an AA guy who got sacked for nipping home.

If you are skiving that is no worse than obtaining money by deception

[Crystal-clear]

Yes, you can do what you want, its your business.

If they want to persue you for unfair dismall for laziness, thats up to them.

Not doing your job could be Gross misconduct, I heard of an AA guy who got sacked for nipping home.

If you are skiving that is no worse than obtaining money by deception

thing is dave im kinda on the border of possibly employing someone and the main reason why i havnt is because of not being able to sack him if he pes about and getting taken to court things that a small developing business doesnt need so it kinda put me off would love to hear a bit more about this subject so are we back in the 70s where you could hire and fire i did hear the law changed slightly to the employers favour on the radio not long ago

[Moderator David@stives]

The law favours the employer more these days.

You have to be employed for 2 years now before you can claim unfair dismissal

[R.C Property]

Depending on what the  contract say about ideally,

Can't sack anyone without good reason and verbal and written warnings given to them first. Unless you are closing the business.

[Crystal-clear]

lets dissect this Dave says different,what you are saying is the reason why i havnt employed...and who chooses the contract i would just write it all in my favour so he can be sacked if he is late more then 2 times for example.

[bobplum]

also put in the contract the right to deduct monies from their final pay salary

[R.C Property]

You can't write a contract just to be in the favour of the employer.
They have to be done fair to both parties.
If they did take it to court, and three judge saw that the contract was just good for the employer then it wouldn't be any good.

[Crystal-clear]

ok so dave and bob are getting me excited writing my own contracts is fab richard is the bringer of woe what are the facts 

[R.C Property]

ok so dave and bob are getting me excited writing my own contracts is fab richard is the bringer of woe what are the facts 

In English?

[Crystal-clear]

in english,

I just want to know if its easier to fire people these days you are saying it isnt and thats not great imagine if i employed someone and he was a p taker

[Moderator David@stives]

Bottom line its your business, they have to play by your rules.

If not, they are down the road, there isnt no judge going to tell me otherwise.

You can follow procedures for sacking if you want to protect yourself, as long as you follow guidelines for sacking you will have no trouble at all.

I have sacked 3 on the spot, with no comebacks.

[R.C Property]

in english,

I just want to know if its easier to fire people these days you are saying it isnt and thats not great imagine if i employed someone and he was a p taker

It is very easy if they have done something bad,

But just for messing around, you have no easy way to get rid of them.

[Crystal-clear]

Bottom line its your business, they have to play by your rules.

If not, they are down the road, there isnt no judge going to tell me otherwise.

You can follow procedures for sacking if you want to protect yourself, as long as you follow guidelines for sacking you will have no trouble at all.

I have sacked 3 on the spot, with no comebacks.

this is what i like to hear,im not saying im gona be a numpty and fire someone for turning up 5 mins late but i have the same views as dave, i just heard that getting rid of someone who turns up late doesnt work hard,cleans his own customers with your van, might be difficult and that was the main reason why i never hired anyone,

richard you seem to know a thing or 2 as i dont so would like to hear what you have to say to this

[R.C Property]

Do you have a contract already?

For being late you can give warning for it, then progress to written one then sacked.

Using your van to clean there own customers can be felt with a written warning first then in that say if it happens again they will be sacked.

[bobplum]

i think richard isparkle as some more info on this .
many years ago i employed a couple of painters,they walked off the job,made a mess of it ,i withheld there wages or part off to of set the mess and lost in a tribunal,under the law UNLESS ITS WRITTEN IN THERE CONTRACT you have to pay the wages and then sue them
as it was i got a reduction so i came out owing only what they were entitled too,so they didn't gain and i didn't loose

[Crystal-clear]

no rich im thinking of employing so dont have one yet.
so from what i can gather is do what you think is right from dave (which i like) and from you guys make sure you have a contract in place
by the way can i get a contract from someone maybe daves seems full prove since he has sacked 3 people on the spot and never gone to court

[R.C Property]

no rich im thinking of employing so dont have one yet.
so from what i can gather is do what you think is right from dave (which i like) and from you guys make sure you have a contract in place
by the way can i get a contract from someone maybe daves seems full prove since he has sacked 3 people on the spot and never gone to court

Oh right, if you want a copy of the contract I have let me know and I could email u a copy to look at.

[robertphil]

make sure they know the trial period is 2 months. most wasters drop out within the first month iv found

 dont be soft is another tip , a lazy type will see your softness as a weakness and play you up bigtime . Weak last minute excuses are another sign of a lazy,such as frequent doctors appointment, panic attacks on buses , throwin up at 0800 etc

[R.C Property]

The law favours the employer more these days.

You have to be employed for 2 years now before you can claim unfair dismissal

2 years now?  It seems to change up or down depending which party is in government.  I hadn't realised it had gone up from 1 year.  Back in the mid 70s when there was low unemployment, it was one month.

Yer if they are employed after April 2012 then is 2 yrs, if the was employed before that then it's still 1 year.