[Mike Halliday]

John if you are arranging to test the effectiveness of different cleaning systems, then I would be interested in the testing criteria .

To give a valid result you would need a wide selection of carpet types and soiling conditions for example to take one carpet sample from an office environment  would give a different result to a carpet sample from a busy restaurant or cleaning an nylon carpet would give a different result to a wool carpet but without testing the full spectrum you could not get a definitive answer.

But it would be interesting to read your findings

[Phil @ Extreme Clean]

Phil,
Come out with me for a day, I'll show you what carpet cleaning is all about, you never know, you might be inspired.
Ignore Mossy, he doesn't know what he is talking about either

Simon could you ring me when you get chance mate i need a bit of advice Thanks 07514 369608 Cheers Phil.

[Derek_Walker]

I know that I am removing most of the customers spots and stains and more soil than their Bex Bissell. This makes me the best carpet cleaner on the planet, a hero. SO JUST DEAL WITH IT YOU PEASANTS. Okay maybe not the Bex Bissel but definately better than the No Wet Wonder Foam.

[John Geurkink]

Mike, I am gathering data and gathering suggestions, of course I will do a bunch of sampling at first, but eventually will have a third party do the study. There are a ton of variables and we want to make sure we DO have a wide selection of carpet types, environments.
This is going to take time.
Also ATP is about removal, in other word ATP testing does not discriminate between LIVING or DEAD organics, so ONLY removal %'s are rated.
Every carpet will have a different starting number, for example, say a carpet tests at 1000 RLU and then after prevac is at 500 RLU then after cleaning is say 200 RLU, the % would be 80% removal, etc.

[mark_roberts]

The other consideration is speed.

Using a LM method the carpet always needs pre-vacuumed.  Not so with TM HWE.
Cleaning 12x12 rooms and moving furniture, a wand is much quicker.
Cleaning stairs HWE is just better hands down.
Dealing with stains, extraction is required.

The above is for residential cleaning.

Mark

PS. LM cleaning of suites is useless 99.9% of the time unless your in every 6 months.

[AshWhite]

Is hwe quicker? If you do it as iicrc standard, I mean? Prevac, spray, agitate, get hoses out, extract, put hoses back.

Its the setting up I find to be a pain in the @ss - could never see myself using a porty and constantly emptying/refilling throughout a job!

[derek west]

The other consideration is speed.

Using a LM method the carpet always needs pre-vacuumed.  Not so with TM HWE.
Cleaning 12x12 rooms and moving furniture, a wand is much quicker.
Cleaning stairs HWE is just better hands down.
Dealing with stains, extraction is required.

The above is for residential cleaning.

Mark

PS. LM cleaning of suites is useless 99.9% of the time unless your in every 6 months.

i agree, trying to balance my truvox 17inch on the arms of a recliner without it shooting off is a nightmare

[John Geurkink]

The other consideration is speed.

Using a LM method the carpet always needs pre-vacuumed.  Not so with TM HWE.
Cleaning 12x12 rooms and moving furniture, a wand is much quicker.
Cleaning stairs HWE is just better hands down.
Dealing with stains, extraction is required.

The above is for residential cleaning.
Respectfully I would argue ALL the points you made...LOL, could stop at just one or two..

1st lm does NOT require (of course depending on the situation) to be prevacced, anymore than HWE, to add moisture to what should have been prevacced is just asking for more problems,
2nd, don't know quite how you got to that conclusion, my machine is 18" wide, moves as freely as a wand and sprays at it goes.
3rd, LM is FAR better at cleaning stairs.
4th, stains? Most are gone immediately, plus for example, you have a tough stain and you get out your spotter and towel? WE simply do that to the whole carpet.

[Paul Moss]

Ok now im bored 

[Mike Halliday]

I love how Johns response to any negative  piont is to state the  opposite,  but with the use of capitals ( which is the universal sign of what is true )

HWE is quicker ..... Johns response .....HWE is NOT quicker

HWE is better on stairs....johns response..... LM is FAR better on stairs

And to say a 110lb 30inch rotory is more mounuvrable than my 12 inch, 7lb wand is hard to believe

[Phil @ Extreme Clean]

my df 1 handed up down left right can you do that with ya wand 

[AshWhite]

my df 1 handed up down left right can you do that with ya wand 

Are we still talking about carpet cleaning?

[Phil @ Extreme Clean]

my df 1 handed up down left right can you do that with ya wand 

Are we still talking about carpet cleaning?

Whatever turns you on ASH haha 

[Barry Livingstone]

No Sure Ash But Wind and Pish Come to mind!

HOW can you not Pre-vac a Gritty after winter carpet and do It LM!!

I clean allot of carpets near the coast and Pull SAND out every day! The vac doesnt get all the sand out my machine does, with what's left behind

If LM so good why arent People doing that to RUGS rather than Doing them in a bath till the water runs clear?

LM Will always be a maintenance only clean, Yes I LM but only when carpet maintained regular.

As for stairs, a property with wood and Tiled floors on the GF, the stair then gets all the grit and dirt, oil and anything else they have on there feet! LM wont get to the bottom of the pile to suck it out!!

each to there own tho!!

[AshWhite]

This week, I've cleaned 6 rugs using my Cimex and Surround ultra. 2 of them I've had to spot using a spotting machine for little bits, otherwise they have all cleaned up fantastically well - and been dry in half the time it would've taken with HWE.

[Jamie Pearson]

If LM so good why arent People doing that to RUGS rather than Doing them in a bath till the water runs clear?

I do - sometimes.

[derek west]

The other consideration is speed.

Using a LM method the carpet always needs pre-vacuumed.  Not so with TM HWE.
Cleaning 12x12 rooms and moving furniture, a wand is much quicker.
Cleaning stairs HWE is just better hands down.
Dealing with stains, extraction is required.

The above is for residential cleaning.
Respectfully I would argue ALL the points you made...LOL, could stop at just one or two..

1st lm does NOT require (of course depending on the situation) to be prevacced, anymore than HWE, to add moisture to what should have been prevacced is just asking for more problems,
2nd, don't know quite how you got to that conclusion, my machine is 18" wide, moves as freely as a wand and sprays at it goes.
3rd, LM is FAR better at cleaning stairs.
4th, stains? Most are gone immediately, plus for example, you have a tough stain and you get out your spotter and towel? WE simply do that to the whole carpet.

in answer to your answers, specifically question 2

as  freely as a wand?  i do cobwebs with mine

[AshWhite]

You're not supposed to be cleaning the ceilings, Derek!

[Barry Livingstone]

You wont need the Centrifuge then Jamie

[Phil @ Extreme Clean]

was thinkin the same Ceilings and thats what the vac with crevice tools for