[Dave Willis]

If not - why not?
Does it matter?
Should you have a crash tested system if you employ? I think you should.

[Window Washers]

Good question be interesting to see the results on this

Do you employ?
why do you think only employers should have them fitted?

[Dave Willis]

Good question be interesting to see the results on this

Do you employ?
why do you think only employers should have them fitted?

Because as an employer I think you are responsible for your workers safety surely?

[Window Washers]

Good question be interesting to see the results on this

Do you employ?
why do you think only employers should have them fitted?

Because as an employer I think you are responsible for your workers safety surely?

you didn't answer my question. Do you employ ?

You even if you don't employ are responsible for your own safety and that of others around you, so do you have one ? If not why not. ?

[Dave Willis]

I'm the one asking the questions  
No I don't.
Do your workers have crash tested systems?
Why not?

[Dave Willis]

If I get squashed then I won't be in court anyway.
If your worker gets squashed, you as an employer will be in court. Now, if you are asked " how safe was the system you had installed?" Then you answer with "haven't got a clue - it was custom built by Bodgit & Scarper Fabricators LTD down the back of the gasworks"
Would this help the case and the family left behind?
Would your insurance company take a dim view?

[Steve Sed]

Anyone who drives a van without a bulkhead is surely at risk of something hitting them in an accident? I think a lot of these health and safety issues start with a vested interest.

[Dave Willis]

Ian, you haven't answered my questions (as usual).

I know Dave St Ives has built up a lot of work by gaining all the safety qualifications and has crash tested systems fitted to his vans. I wonder why others don't. I would have thought it to be a major risk assessment for the safety of staff?

[Window Washers]

Dave sorry I'm not getting dragged into a pointless argument with you, I can see it heading that way seeing as you don't employ or have a crashed tested system your self and mock courses at every opportunity. 
So for that reason   "I'm out"

[Dave Willis]

Who's arguing? - I'm certainly not. Seems you've drawn yourself into a debate and suddenly realised you don't like it.
In your own words - you don't have to post or read it.

However, for someone who is so hot on safety I do wonder if yet again we could be witnessing double standards?
Why didn't you buy a crash tested system?

Should employers use them or doesn't it matter?

[dd]

Ionics who sell the most famous tested system to my knowledge did not use a full tank in the test and the safety performance would surely vary:
1. from van to van
2. according to the size of tank
3. how full the tank was in the accident

[dave0123]

I don't have a crash tested system fitted however want a new van early next year i am certainly looking at the grippamax installed on your drive.. very reasonable prices only need a delivery system... to me that looks the best designed and tested on the market at the moment

[dd]

Grippamax does look the safest but personally I am not a fan of flat tanks as they can be a pain to use when the water level is low, due to the pump sucking air.

[concept]

Grippamax does look the safest but personally I am not a fan of flat tanks as they can be a pain to use when the water level is low, due to the pump sucking air.

Not to mention excess "sloshing", shifting you forward at junctions/lights etc.

[Dave Willis]

Isn't the grippamax honeycombed?

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Who's arguing? - I'm certainly not. Seems you've drawn yourself into a debate and suddenly realised you don't like it.
In your own words - you don't have to post or read it.

However, for someone who is so hot on safety I do wonder if yet again we could be witnessing double standards?
Why didn't you buy a crash tested system?

Should employers use them or doesn't it matter?

You might have better luck if you contact "head office"!!

[Frankybadboy]

its a fair question to every one,i employ and my tank has been crash tested.
but is fitted the same as purefreedom fit theres.



i like to know how we stand

[p1w1]

Dave sorry I'm not getting dragged into a pointless argument with you, I can see it heading that way seeing as you don't employ or have a crashed tested system your self and mock courses at every opportunity. 
So for that reason   "I'm out"

What an utter cop out, you really can't answer simple questions asked you.

[Window Washers]

Dave sorry I'm not getting dragged into a pointless argument with you, I can see it heading that way seeing as you don't employ or have a crashed tested system your self and mock courses at every opportunity. 
So for that reason   "I'm out"

What an utter cop out, you really can't answer simple questions asked you.

no my friend my niece died today I don't want to argue

[Dave Willis]

Ian you are 'out' remember. If you've lost another niece then I'm very sorry. Maybe you shouldn't be on here today?