[Paul Moss]

I dont believe how many experienced guys are biting on this 

ITS A PUPPET

[Simon Gerrard]

Nigel,
You're right, I have given him a thorough questioning, but I think it has to stop short of bullying as I don't like bullies and I'm a bit surprised that someone of your stature thinks it fair game.

Simon

[Nigel_W]

I don't think most people were "bullying him" Some genuine questions have been raised and answered in the course of Johns various threads. I am sure he is robust enough to take the flack. If he is not robust enough then he needs to develop a new marketing strategy. I think Mr Buckland recommended one to him in an earlier post.

Nigel

[John Geurkink]

John, the problem with your friend and his super suck machine is probably because it is too powerful for the situations he is finding himself in. As opposed to a reasonable amount of suction to get down to the base of the pile your mates machine is probably sucking from the carpet backing and even below that, bringing all that into play. Every damp strand 'wicks' the trouble is his has created it's own problem.

I agree with that statement, and I think HE would agree as well, now I must add though, this is a 64 year old gent who has been doing this for 40 years, not a novice.

I disagree - I think there is something to learn from this debate and anyway John doesn't deserve any slack because he keeps talking ****.

LOL, time will tell Nigel, time will tell.
Anyways, I said DEBATE, didn't say I had all the answers,  but something tells me Nigel, you might think you have them all.

[Simon Gerrard]

Nigel,
I don't want to get into an argument with you, Nigel, I've got far too much respect for for that, I just think that people like John should be treated with respect because it is people like him who design the future of this industry, we just use the fruits of their labours without a second thought to the blood sweat and tears that made them possible.

Do I agree with everything John has claimed for his system, certainly not, but I think disagreeing with him merely for the sake of it is the name of the game at the moment.

Simon

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I'd love a pad system to work for me the cost savings the ease the even quicker drying which is a great selling point are all plus points but I used a pad system 'dry fusion' and the results could be disappointing where I had to hwe to get the end result I wanted.

Shaun

[John Geurkink]

Too bad there is such a time difference, we do two weekly webinars on the Trinity machines each week, unfortunately they are at 9PM EST so that would be in the middle of the night for you all, but Monday nights usually consist of 20-40 Trinity Users from all background coming together and discussing our work, problems, needs, etc concerning carpet cleaning. We do this for FREE to our customers, so none seem left out in the dark when they purchase a machine.

There people come aboard and ask Users to answer questions as well, so it isn't that DADBURN builder guy you hear from...LOL

I would love some of you to visit if you are ever up in the middle of the night..

http://login.meetcheap.com/conference,trinity

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Why not record it and set up a site so we can listen later then submit questions for the next webinar which you could answer and then we could listen to the answers on the play back.

Shaun

[John Geurkink]

That is possible Shaun, GREAT IDEA, I will check it out, thanks

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

It's an interesting debate, went to the Princes Trust last night and Jimmy Carr said no news is bad news and he had enjoyed a cracking year and he was funny too.

John is trying and suceeding in raising the profile(sic) of his system and it is working, obviously many of the claims are a bit extreme but the uinderlying message is give it a try, you will be pleased with the results.

As for bullying I have seen far worse and John wouldn't have come on if he was worried about that.

Cheers

Doug

[Jim_77]

Interestingly, the Oxford English Dictionary describes the noun Cult as "devotion or homage to a person or thing"

Which is kind of like flooding forums with posts extolling the virtues of one particular cleaning system, whilst knocking all others

John, please don't turn into another Roger Koh.  And if you don't know what I mean by that, I'm sure plenty of others will explain

It's just that we do things a bit differently over here, it's a cultural thing I think.

[John Geurkink]

Jim.. LOL, I am slowly learning that but I don't bruise easily, so I will figure it out.

[David Ware]

If you had 2 pieces of dirty carpet and weighed them dry. Then using any method of cleaning that you wished, once they were completely dry re-weighed the carpet samples then you would have an idea how much soil was removed.
You could take a light test with a spectrum light meter before and after this would give you a visual indication of appearance.
David   

[John Geurkink]

Simon,
Why get involved in the debate in the 1st place ?.
Simon, you "know" and know for "sure" that Your system works, so keep with it and don't fix what ain't broken.
Regards
Glynn

Glynn, you "know" and know for "sure" that Your van carries you and your tools to the job, so don't look at something that would give you better mileage or get you there in more comfort and cost you less.

[jasonl]

This testing of dry soils has been done before , Chem dry had independent testing done by CAMRASO  IN THE 90'S . The dry soil by weight AVERAGED 79% across several carpet types , they did prove that on AVERAGE  Chem dry systems ( padding at the time) removed more soil than HWE  and dried in an hour, also the carpet was visibly cleaner ( as measured by some kind of light meter) .

Obviously things have moved on since then , in both padding  and  HWE methods.

[steve cardy]

Im suprised that chemdry changed from padding if the tests proved that it removed more soil than hwe.
 

[John Geurkink]

Chemdry changed because they could make a lot more selling MORE machines to their franchisees, the Velda porty first, then TM, they made a fortune off that before they sold out.

Glynn, sure, why not, you had at me too, I don't care if Simon ever changes what he is doing, I agree he is successful at doing what he is doing.
But my statement stands, being conservative and being dead are two different things, "IF" a industry changer comes along and he was too closed minded to check it out and his competitors weren't, his great business could be in jeopardy. (NO, I am not suggesting this about my or anyone else's equipment).
Keeping your eyes closed can be worse than blindness.

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Im sure that Cd in the 90's used solvent in the products to make the items dry quicker and probably cut through soil better as well.

Shaun

[Jim_77]

Yeah they nicked that idea off SM who'd been doing it for years

(alcohol-based additive that caused faster evaporation)

[PaulKing]

why the trinity and cross ? it does't translate so well in the uk