[neil 47]

Hair Color and Bleaching (129) Laundry Detergent (26) Automatic Dishwasher (18) Shaving Cream ( Shaving Cream (Men's) (6) Hand Dishwashing (5) Glass and Surface Cleaner (3) Fabric Treatment (2) Depilatories (Women's)

Aren't these all rinsed out?

depilatories
shaving cream    all applied direct to the skin 



Come on Dave i know it may be hard for you but it might of happened now sit down you might take this badly   you could be wrong

 
I am just saying there is always different ways , and we do generally rinse out or use spm . the world was flat once

[Simon Gerrard]

Right Simon so you use shockwave, you pre spray it let it dwell .

During that dwell time through Capillary action the shock wave goes all the way to as far as it can, which is the backing of the carpet.

 As you know we dont wet the backing using hwe so that residue of shockwave is still in the backing.

so the next  time any moisture comes into contact with the backing it is reactivated .

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Neil,
That explains why you got such a rapid reaction because you over applied the SW. There is no way the pre-spray should reach the backing of a carpet, if it does, you've done something wrong.

Simon

[neil 47]

Right Simon so you use shockwave, you pre spray it let it dwell .

During that dwell time through Capillary action the shock wave goes all the way to as far as it can, which is the backing of the carpet.

 As you know we dont wet the backing using hwe so that residue of shockwave is still in the backing.

so the next  time any moisture comes into contact with the backing it is reactivated .

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Neil,
That explains why you got such a rapid reaction because you over applied the SW. There is no way the pre-spray should reach the backing of a carpet, if it does, you've done something wrong.



Simon

Capillary action, or capillarity, is the ability of a liquid to flow in narrow spaces without the assistance of, and in opposition to external forces like gravity. The effect can be seen in the drawing up of liquids between the hairs of a paint-brush, in a thin tube, in porous materials such as paper, in some non-porous materials such as liquified carbon fiber, or in a cell. It occurs because of inter-molecular attractive forces between the liquid and solid surrounding surfaces. If the diameter of the tube is sufficiently small, then the combination of surface tension (which is caused by cohesion within the liquid) and adhesive forces between the liquid and container act to lift the liquid.[1]


both  the capillary action and gravity would take the solution to the backing within a minute and i know this from past experiance.

But I do agree its not ideal

[james roffey]

The manufacturers instructions say it should be rinsed out, if i were going to bonnet with it i would ask them if it can be used for this purpose.

What makes you think I havent


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I couldn't find the intructions for using Shockwave for bonnet cleaning on solutions site or the tub of Shockwave i have, it clearly states rinse with plain water or acidic rinse, i have used a rotary many times to agitate a prespray including shockwave and Powerburst and the results prior to extraction have been so good the customer have on occasion commented positively  thinking it's done, never have i  extracted and not made it look much cleaner still.
If Solutions tell me i can bonnet with it i will, think you may be using a lot of prespray if the backing is getting wet with it though.

[neil 47]

James i have just done 3 rugs pre sprayed  lightly and left to dwell for 15 mins when I have turned the rugs over after using the rotary 2 of them were clearly damp on the backing .

This is caused by gravity, wicking , and agitation. you all do it .

the reason the carpet looks better when you extract is because you are removing the moisture so it looks lighter ,

Neil

[Simon Gerrard]

They look better because you're removing the soil.
I've checked every carpet and three rugs we've done this morning and there wasn't the slightest sign of moisture on the backing of any of them.

Simon

[*Hector*]

That's because you didn't switch the water on........ 

all you have is a big vax in a van with a pressure washer attachment....   

So all you did this morning was a vacuum job ... 

 

[Simon Gerrard]

Drat, that's why the machine was so quiet this morning....gulp 

[*Hector*]

 

[james roffey]

If this were true surely every Belgian Wilton would shrink, i have tested load of off cuts of belgian Wilton over the past few years and if that backing gets damp they shrink, only with a very heavy application of prespray or high psi will it reach the backing, i also clean plenty of rugs only woolen ones where i have flooded them did i ever notice this happening, even on these it was just in a few patches. Of course i could be wrong i am no expert but from my own experience i do not accept that the backing will as a matter of course become wet.

[neil 47]

I will coincide that I do put plenty of per spray down but this is due to the type of work we get . Did one today only slightly soiled so I put less down .
I also note that as you point out it depends on the construction of the carpet . Also we do use spm on its own if circumstances mean we have to or there's no need for shockwave.
Of the years I have been doing cc I have only ever been called back 2 times once for wick back and once for a recurring smell .
So I must be doing something right and had 3 repeats this week and all of them were over a years since we have been and there is no signs of rapid resoiling or fibre damage .

[wynne jones]

Neil

I think you are wasted doing carpet cleaning you should be David Cameron's spin doctor or PR man for the Jimmy Saville estate. (not sure which is worse)

You are even getting me doubting whether black is in fact white.

[*Hector*]

He's not quite that good Wynne....

because white is in fact the new black.. 

 

[Adrian Marsh]

Hair Color and Bleaching (129) Laundry Detergent (26) Automatic Dishwasher (18) Shaving Cream ( Shaving Cream (Men's) (6) Hand Dishwashing (5) Glass and Surface Cleaner (3) Fabric Treatment (2) Depilatories (Women's)

Aren't these all rinsed out?

depilatories
shaving cream    all applied direct to the skin 



Come on Dave i know it may be hard for you but it might of happened now sit down you might take this badly   you could be wrong

 
I am just saying there is always different ways , and we do generally rinse out or use spm . the world was flat once

The world was flat once?

Ermm...........No it wasn't It's like watching a game of keepy uppy Come on Neil, round three

[neil 47]

Well lets look at the facts does the carpet look better than before .
Judging by the comments yes it does , so that is a fact .

All other comments are mearly opionions about what may or may not happen .

If you we're the owner off that carpet and not a carpet cleaner you'd all of given me a tip and don't lie I know how generous you all are apart from Simon who I've heard has fire insurance on his cigs


Neil

[james roffey]

Sorry Neil but i have never left a carpet cleaning job yet where i thought that

 " if i had done this it would be cleaner"  some times i may do a clean again if i am not happy with the result and if after further attempts at least i know that i can do no more, this is a very rare event and only twice have i re cleaned a carpet

As already stated many many times after agitation a customer has commented "wow that look amazing" or words to that effect after the agitation whether it be bonnet or contra rotating brush could i have packed my gear away at that point and the customer be happy well according to you "yes"

But i know that after extraction it will look even better i am happy that i have done a thorough job and the customer hopefully will be even happier knowing that i have also been thorough especially when i show him or her the crap that comes out after it looked like it was clean, i often point out after agitation that the dirt is still in the carpet prior to extraction.

I have today received an email from Nick at Solutions "Shockwave should be rinsed with water or acidic rinse as stated on the packaging, i use Shockwave and use it as often as i use Poweburst its a great product but i wont be bonneting with it.

[Simon Gerrard]

I think it is just about standards, some people's standards are higher than others. I wouldn't dream of leaving a carpet half clean, even if it could be justified by saying, 'well it looks better than before,' which appears to be where Neil is coming from. Or, to justify second best by saying the customer isn't paying for it, so sod'em.
But, it wouldn't do for us all to think the same.

Simon

[neil 47]

you are of  course all right  .

Just wondered

Now is that rinsed with acidic rinse or plain water , 100psi  0r 300psi , hot or cold water 

 

[james roffey]

you are of  course all right  .

Just wondered

Now is that rinsed with acidic rinse or plain water , 100psi  0r 300psi , hot or cold water  

 

 Evian mineral water from the shores of lake Geneva, extracted at 300 psi and about 90 degrees  

[wynne jones]

you are of  course all right  .

Just wondered

Now is that rinsed with acidic rinse or plain water , 100psi  0r 300psi , hot or cold water 

 

Any rinse is better than a wet rag.