[Window Washers]

It is important to remember that this product is not officially launched. It will be at the Windex show in October I imagine  and I believe Ionics will be coming out with its road show dates soon. So a close look at this system will be possible.

it sounds interesting

[Perfect Windows]

Given that today I'm cleaning with water at 2,000 parts per billion (+-500) and expect perfect results, I simply don't care about this at all.

As for more "dissolving capacity", do you really believe every press release you read, Lee?

Vin

[AuRavelling79]

It makes me laugh. And then I laugh some more.

Remember the corrosive power of "pure water"? How it would make holes in your clothes, and rot your van out if you didn't protectakote it or whatever?

Then the pseudo-scientific "hot water is more corrosive in cleaning power than cold" to get you to buy a certain manufacturer's system?

And now Lee - by association you are giving credence to the "1 part in a billion" being better for window cleaning implication.

Some of these things may be scientifically accurate but seem to be taken out of context - in practical window cleaning terms it's pure bunkum.

[Cliff perkins]

Sounds intresting.
But 1 thing for sure is the price would not be intresting enough for the average windy.

[mickwc]

got to give it to ionics!!they know how to make money!!  Who will they be marketing this machine at?? how will they then market the other machines?? Stand by anyone just coming into window cleaning!!

[Lee Burbidge]

Given that today I'm cleaning with water at 2,000 parts per billion (+-500) and expect perfect results, I simply don't care about this at all.

As for more "dissolving capacity", do you really believe every press release you read, Lee?

Vin

Hey Vin, I never said I belived anything. Im reporting the news as it happens. Just ignore it, if it dont interest you - thats what I do.

Problem with me is that at the moment everything interests me lol

[Lee Burbidge]

It makes me laugh. And then I laugh some more.

Remember the corrosive power of "pure water"? How it would make holes in your clothes, and rot your van out if you didn't protectakote it or whatever?

Then the pseudo-scientific "hot water is more corrosive in cleaning power than cold" to get you to buy a certain manufacturer's system?

And now Lee - by association you are giving credence to the "1 part in a billion" being better for window cleaning implication.

Some of these things may be scientifically accurate but seem to be taken out of context - in practical window cleaning terms it's pure bunkum.

I understand. It is what it is.

[Perfect Windows]

Given that today I'm cleaning with water at 2,000 parts per billion (+-500) and expect perfect results, I simply don't care about this at all.

As for more "dissolving capacity", do you really believe every press release you read, Lee?

Vin

Hey Vin, I never said I belived anything. Im reporting the news as it happens. Just ignore it, if it dont interest you - thats what I do.

Problem with me is that at the moment everything interests me lol

Ref the advice to ignore it, you seem to be assuming it doesn't interest me.  It interests me greatly when people make utterly spurious scientific claims for anything.  That kind of manipulation of the truth is of great importance to me.

Recently we've had "the fastest way to clean windows" - which wasn't the fastest in any way shape or form, along with loads of free advertising for Ungers' new range of heavyweight poles.  Not a word of analysis or dissection let alone opinion at your end.

If you're interested in my opinion (and your post above suggests not, so I won't hold my breath; I expect sardonic derision rather than expressions of interest) you're not reporting news, you're reprinting press releases and recirculating company videos without critical thought.  

Vin

[Lee Burbidge]

Given that today I'm cleaning with water at 2,000 parts per billion (+-500) and expect perfect results, I simply don't care about this at all.

As for more "dissolving capacity", do you really believe every press release you read, Lee?

Vin

Hey Vin, I never said I belived anything. Im reporting the news as it happens. Just ignore it, if it dont interest you - thats what I do.

Problem with me is that at the moment everything interests me lol

Ref the advice to ignore it, you seem to be assuming it doesn't interest me.  It interests me greatly when people make utterly spurious scientific claims for anything.  That kind of manipulation of the truth is of great importance to me.

Recently we've had "the fastest way to clean windows" - which wasn't the fastest in any way shape or form, along with loads of free advertising for Ungers' new range of heavyweight poles.  Not a word of analysis or dissection let alone opinion at your end.

If you're interested in my opinion (and your post above suggests not, so I won't hold my breath; I expect sardonic derision rather than expressions of interest) you're not reporting news, you're reprinting press releases and recirculating company videos without critical thought.  

Vin

Please don't get all sensitive on me Vin. Things really aint that bad 

By the way I don't think 'derision' is the word your looking for??

You take me the wrong way and over criticise. I blog, report anything on window cleaning, with and with out thought on the subject, so shoot me. I guess your not a fan 

The fastest way to clean windows is an illustration of wfp. A man of your intelligence should of picked that out. So what if we are advertising Unger's pole with out input from me. They have just been released...... I have not seen one yet.... waiting for Unger to get back to me on the interview...... jeez, Vin give us a break lol

I tell you what I am not going to do here Vin, is explain myself or apologize for something I am passionate about. I have brought a free publication to window cleaners packed full of stuff and my readership tells me that it has been the right thing to do.

My work as an industry journalist has just begun and evolving. Something that came with starting my magazine, I guess.

At heart, Im a window cleaner 

[Lee Burbidge]

Given that today I'm cleaning with water at 2,000 parts per billion (+-500) and expect perfect results, I simply don't care about this at all.

As for more "dissolving capacity", do you really believe every press release you read, Lee?

Vin

Hey Vin, I never said I belived anything. Im reporting the news as it happens. Just ignore it, if it dont interest you - thats what I do.

Problem with me is that at the moment everything interests me lol

Ref the advice to ignore it, you seem to be assuming it doesn't interest me.  It interests me greatly when people make utterly spurious scientific claims for anything.  That kind of manipulation of the truth is of great importance to me.

Recently we've had "the fastest way to clean windows" - which wasn't the fastest in any way shape or form, along with loads of free advertising for Ungers' new range of heavyweight poles.  Not a word of analysis or dissection let alone opinion at your end.

If you're interested in my opinion (and your post above suggests not, so I won't hold my breath; I expect sardonic derision rather than expressions of interest) you're not reporting news, you're reprinting press releases and recirculating company videos without critical thought.  

Vin

I just re- read your post, I am interested Vin, Im not interested in taking the p out of you either.
I suggest you email me to discuss further if you like, in a more friendly tone.

lee@windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk

[Darranvps]

The squeegee _ I am sure when it came out was the fastest way to clean a window - but I am sure the witch hunters had their doubts.

The water fed pole was laughed at by the same witch hunters when it came out. When I first started using the waterfed pole - somewhere around 2000 - 2001 - lots of local window cleaners laughed and said it wouldn't work, many of them had reasonably sized window cleaning companies employing 10 men or more, all using ladders and guess what they now ALL have water fed poles.

Ionics like them or not have in my opinion, done a great job in showing many window cleaners something new, yes they must make money but of course that is why they are in business as theres no point in running a business and not making money, is there?

So to all the lovely witch hunters out there, why not give them chance to prove what they are saying about PPB, after all have they been wrong in what they have shown us in the past?
And don't forget they must have done something right as their systems/poles/technologies have been copied time and time again - mainly by you the window cleaner on a budget who builds your own systems.

What profits Ionic make on their systems matters not, and yes I know you can put together a system for a fraction of the price, but you can buy a Lada or a Rolls Royce to drive around in and they both do the same job of getting you from A - B, but I know which one I would prefer to travel in.

Those of you who doubt/mock others - should definately be more pro active in what you yourself are doing and stop wasting energy on being negative as you would quickly benefit from a more fruitful life yourself.

Wishing all of you a beneficial day.

[mister bit]

nicely put
i still think zero parts per billion is just bad science though 

[Lee Burbidge]

The squeegee _ I am sure when it came out was the fastest way to clean a window - but I am sure the witch hunters had their doubts.

The water fed pole was laughed at by the same witch hunters when it came out. When I first started using the waterfed pole - somewhere around 2000 - 2001 - lots of local window cleaners laughed and said it wouldn't work, many of them had reasonably sized window cleaning companies employing 10 men or more, all using ladders and guess what they now ALL have water fed poles.

Ionics like them or not have in my opinion, done a great job in showing many window cleaners something new, yes they must make money but of course that is why they are in business as theres no point in running a business and not making money, is there?

So to all the lovely witch hunters out there, why not give them chance to prove what they are saying about PPB, after all have they been wrong in what they have shown us in the past?
And don't forget they must have done something right as their systems/poles/technologies have been copied time and time again - mainly by you the window cleaner on a budget who builds your own systems.

What profits Ionic make on their systems matters not, and yes I know you can put together a system for a fraction of the price, but you can buy a Lada or a Rolls Royce to drive around in and they both do the same job of getting you from A - B, but I know which one I would prefer to travel in.

Those of you who doubt/mock others - should definately be more pro active in what you yourself are doing and stop wasting energy on being negative as you would quickly benefit from a more fruitful life yourself.

Wishing all of you a beneficial day.

Good post

[AuRavelling79]

Outstanding tech coming out of the Ionics camp. Soon to be officially announced in June this year the new zeRO PPB System.

Looks awesome and purifies your water at 0 parts per billion!! This system promises to offer spot free results even on first cleans, uses less water and lower running costs.

www.windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk

OK Rhinoman I catch your drift - but your post about positivity isn't really what this thread is about is it?

It started with the above post - with fulsome wide-eyed praise - "Outstanding Tech" "Soon to be announced" "Looks awesome" "Purifies your water at 0 parts per billion!!" note exclamation marks.

Then we get "this system promises to offer spot free results even on first cleans" - well forgive me but so what? So what?!!! (note exclamation marks) If I don't get spot-free results on a first clean it isn't down to TDS being one thousandth of one part per million it's because I haven't rinsed properly/haven't allowed the vents to stop dripping/or I've brushed some of the anodising or dirt and muck from the frames etc onto the glass and not carefully rinsed it away.

Do you believe that 0 per billion is going to make any difference to spots? Does that make sense?

Then we get "it uses less water" - no qualification by the magazine editor - just repeating what he has been told. Less water than what? A leaky sieve? A fire engine? Where's the objective journalism?

Then "lower running costs" - than what? A self built system using water harvesting? A previous Ionics system? A Rolls-Royce? A Lada?

This thread was started for one reason only in my opinion - to direct attention to lee's magazine. And in that he has succeeded. But if taking favourable report straight from Ionics will help Lee then so be it but do we prospective readers get unbiased analysis?

[mister bit]

What I would like to see is an analysis of cost because after all the bottom line is what business men want at the end of the day!

So how long would the filters last if you lived in an area with (average) xxx TDS. How much to replace the filters? How long would you expect the Unit to last for before it is junked? and therefore how much would the water cost per litre coming out of the end? etc

It does seem strange that none of us are quite sure how much we should be charging but the manufacturers can't give us any real figures after all the only people we are impressing with all the kit are window cleaners customers just want the windows cleaned and would be happy with a nice chap that comes regularly with a magic rag and a ladder.

I was just online researching and ofwat reckon water is 0.2p per litre coming out of the tap that's residential by the way could be higher in your area could be lower. So a cheap RO where a good deal goes down the drain and your looking at 1p a litre how long do the filters last on a cheap RO and how long does the DI resin last it could be £20 on a 1000 litre tank of water before you even pulled off the drive!

 And don't get me started on Diesel costs. 

[Cliff perkins]

Hi lee if you get any unger poles that need road testing send em my way
Nudge nudge wink wink 

[Lee Burbidge]

Outstanding tech coming out of the Ionics camp. Soon to be officially announced in June this year the new zeRO PPB System.

Looks awesome and purifies your water at 0 parts per billion!! This system promises to offer spot free results even on first cleans, uses less water and lower running costs.

www.windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk

OK Rhinoman I catch your drift - but your post about positivity isn't really what this thread is about is it?

It started with the above post - with fulsome wide-eyed praise - "Outstanding Tech" "Soon to be announced" "Looks awesome" "Purifies your water at 0 parts per billion!!" note exclamation marks.

Then we get "this system promises to offer spot free results even on first cleans" - well forgive me but so what? So what?!!! (note exclamation marks) If I don't get spot-free results on a first clean it isn't down to TDS being one thousandth of one part per million it's because I haven't rinsed properly/haven't allowed the vents to stop dripping/or I've brushed some of the anodising or dirt and muck from the frames etc onto the glass and not carefully rinsed it away.

Do you believe that 0 per billion is going to make any difference to spots? Does that make sense?

Then we get "it uses less water" - no qualification by the magazine editor - just repeating what he has been told. Less water than what? A leaky sieve? A fire engine? Where's the objective journalism?

Then "lower running costs" - than what? A self built system using water harvesting? A previous Ionics system? A Rolls-Royce? A Lada?

This thread was started for one reason only in my opinion - to direct attention to lee's magazine. And in that he has succeeded. But if taking favourable report straight from Ionics will help Lee then so be it but do we prospective readers get unbiased analysis?

Dude stop being an ass, take a chill pill and enjoy life a little. It really is not that a big deal. And like I said before I do what I do because if I hear something new, I tell people.

Have you even read the magazine, I wonder?

[Lee Burbidge]

Hi lee if you get any unger poles that need road testing send em my way
Nudge nudge wink wink  

Lol no probs - if that is ok with others..... you might have to ask?? ( notice the question marks)

Im sorry to be flippant, I simply find these out burst so funny. Im still gonna do what Im gonna do lol

[Darranvps]

Well for me I WILL try it and then make up my mind

[Perfect Windows]

Dude stop being an ass, take a chill pill and enjoy life a little. It really is not that a big deal. And like I said before I do what I do because if I hear something new, I tell people.

Have you even read the magazine, I wonder?

Your standard derisive^* response to anyone suggesting you're less than perfect is that they are stressed, wound up, or taking things too seriously.  Has it occurred to you that there might be some truth in what people are saying and that you could improve your magazine's reputation by looking behind the fluff of the PR releases you receive?

Vin



^*Derisive:    Expressing contempt or ridicule