[davidsabishop]

I had some feed back about my training course "Getting Commercial Work"
 
so thought I'd ask if anyone was interested in one being run on Sat 25th Feb in Bristol.
Its £95 and covers buying work, all aspects of marketing, pricing and a detailed look at a "real" commercial round.
 
Theres a 2 page word document available detailing the course if you email david@nawc.biz

[Moderator David@stives]

yes it is a good idea.

If i were you i would offer the course at half price for the first few courses at least you would get a lot attending and they would spread the word about

[windows_chepstow]

I'd attend if it was £50 and on a Saturday!

[Moderator David@stives]

same here

[stevef]

I might be tempted too!

[JohnL]

 . . and me 

JohnL

[windows_chepstow]

If David was planning a course for six students at £95 per head, but gets twelve at £50 per head, he's onto a winner (okay, he may have more questions to answer during the course) but I'm sure he can cope.

The course is run in Bristol. 

I'll take the train just in case there's an end of course pisz-up!

Anyone else?  Maybe we can twist David's arm!

[dustycorner]

I'm up for both

Pizz up and course

Cheers Mark.

[rosskesava]

I'd come.

Although that'd be dependant on the starting time as I'd be traveling by train which would be roughly 4 hours traveling.

I'm without a car at the moment and the hearse would eat too much petrol. 

Cheers

[Moderator David@stives]

of course i am up for a pizz up   

[poleman]

David going from your head “Are Saturday training courses a good idea"? Giving you some good advice, In short NO, WHY! most if not all of the industry shows, events, meeting, courses, are all do on week days because there is no demand for it! some in the industry have said  because many have children and family’s at the weekend, anyway up to you, your Club.

Andy         

[Moderator David@stives]

Andrew speak for yourself     saturday in bristol is good for me  for £50
I bet if you do it you would have them queueing up on here

[poleman]

Mr post was for Mr Bishop, as you have press me, "Getting Commercial Work" I am allways open to new ways, the words spring to mind "teaching the teacher"

Andy
   

[windows_chepstow]

David going from your head “Are Saturday training courses a good idea"? Giving you some good advice, In short NO, WHY! most if not all of the industry shows, events, meeting, courses, are all do on week days because there is no demand for it! some in the industry have said  because many have children and family’s at the weekend, anyway up to you, your Club.

Andy         

Andy,

What are you going on about?  You're speaking in hieroglyphics!

I think you're saying Saturdays aren't good because people have family commitments and don't like to attend 'shows, events, or meetings' on a weekend.

Are you referring to 'employed staff' from large window cleaning companies or suppliers, or self-employed window cleaners?  Personally I think employed staff wouldn't like it, but self-employed window cleaners would prefer it.

If it was held on a Monday for example, not only would the self-employed window cleaner be paying £95 for the course, but he would be losing a day's earnings too. 

Andy, speak clearly man!  What is it you mean?

[windows_chepstow]

Mr post was for Mr Bishop, as you have press me, "Getting Commercial Work" I am allways open to new ways, the words spring to mind "teaching the teacher"

Andy
   

"Mr post was for Mr Bishop" and "as you have press me"; what new ways is Andy open too?

Should I be moderating this post?

My Japanese Mother is an interpreter for Nissan in Sunderland.  I may phone her to translate Andy's posts.

Can anyone help me?  What's he on about?  Is Andy being rude here?

[rosskesava]

I think he means 'nothing left to learn'. Either that or he means Dave is not up to his level.

Dunno?

Very odd posting.

Also, I would not think of going if it was during the week.

Added to which, there are loads of trade fairs/seminars/courses held at the weekend all over the place. The Conferance Centre here in Brighton often holds courses/seminars during the weekend and some are big events. Some are also on a Sunday. I think it depends on the course/market.

Cheers

[poleman]

Hi Tosh, that is fever from my mind, but that is the big problem with industry forums what is posted can be taken different ways.

Andy

[rosskesava]

Hi PoleMan

I agree that words can be written intending one meaning by the writer and read as something else by the reader.

However, you didn't try to clarify what you did actually mean.

Is what I mean by the above clear or does it need further clarification?

Asking questions is always a good place to start when trying to get a clear understanding.

Communication is an essential skill especially for those at the lofty hieghts of success.

Now if you would like me to clarify that further then please ask but it's best to ask with a question and not a statement.

Cheers

Ross

[Moderator David@stives]

Poleman has a hugely successful business mainly due to marketing just check out his site.

What could Andy possibly learn of Davidabishop who turns over at least treble of what Davidabishop does .

I think Davidabishop turns over £50k hardly an industry leader.

[rosskesava]

Oh. Now I understand. Oh.  :

[Morph]

See Ross, there you go again.  Just like me.  I wear a hat though!

Aaah So!  When you are a big earner you don't have to explain what you mean, you let someone else do it for you.

[rosskesava]

Hi Morph

My posting was maybe a little confusing and no, I am not a big earner.

I'm just a bit worried this is going off topic so it may get locked.

Is was about Dave running a course on a Saturday which I think is a good idea.

Cheers

[Moderator David@stives]

God ,you 2 its like listening to Hinge and Bracket       (Ross and Morph)

 

[rosskesava]

I've heard of Hinge and Bracket but I don't know who they are.

I don't have a TV.

[Morph]

See Ross, there you go again. Just like me. I wear a hat though!

Aaah So! When you are a big earner you don't have to explain what you mean, you let someone else do it for you.

Hi Morph

My posting was maybe a little confusing and no, I am not a big earner.

I'm just a bit worried this is going off topic so it may get locked.

Is was about Dave running a course on a Saturday which I think is a good idea.

Cheers

I wasn't referring to you as a big earner Ross, I was replying to Dave's post about Andy's post about David.  It's simple really.

Anyway I can't make it on that date.  I have a previous engagement that cannot be cancelled, I'm told.  Bit of a treck for me, Bristol.  I'm in the forgotten East here, long journey.  Normally though, Yes I would pay £50 for a refresher course on gaining commercial work though, if I could read a preview of the agenda.
But if you are right Dave(StIvel) I don't mean this arrogantly, but someone who is 50k PA doesn't mean much.  What really qualifies a person to say they can conduct a successful training course on the subject in question and teach us something we don't already know?  Sell it to me.

Pj 

[D woods]

How many months did it take David to get to 50K

[D woods]

Hi David
you have not replied how many months did it take you to pull in £50000
of work per year

[Moderator David@stives]

Months
Probably the product of 10 years + of building a round

[D woods]

If it is ten years thats not so good.

[Moderator David@stives]

There you go guys 3 years apparently

COMMERCIAL WORK getting it, pricing it, earning potential

Almondsbury Interchange Hotel, Bristol Fri Jan 20th 2006

Your speaker is David Bishop MA Dip.CIM, who has taught marketing at The University of West of England, Bristol.
David has been window cleaning for 10 years and has a £50K Commercial Window Cleaning round built up over just 3 years which he does on his own.

Program

10.00 Arrival, Tea and bacon bap
10.30  Introductions
10.40 How to get Commercial Work
12.30 Lunch
1.30 Pricing Commercial Work
2.00 Adding Value
2.30 Building a £50K business
3.00  Question and Answer session
3.30 Depart


10.30 Introductions
To ensure the course meets the needs of the delegates

10.40 How to get Commercial Work

How much you should spend on advertising.
The effectiveness of each form of advertising.
Using the Web
Canvassing   
Competitive advantage over other window cleaners
Buying work
Referrals
Mailing
Sub- Contracting
Subscribing to organisations that may generate work
Tender lists
Corporate Image
Professionalism
Insurance
Risk assessments/Health and Safety









12.30 Lunch

1.30 How to price Commercial Work
Delegates will be given photographs of commercial jobs to quote for.

Group 1: Hourly Rate

Group 2: Per window Rate

The groups will then compare prices arrived at to evaluate the best way of quoting

Regional variations

2.00 Adding Value
How to make more money out of each contract

2.30 Building a £50K Commercial Business

The speaker will discuss his own round with prices, earnings, and how the work was obtained.

3.00 Questions

If you have any specific jobs to quote for bring along photographs and we will discuss them. Only one job per delegate please

3.30 Depart


Important note

Numbers will be limited to 20 delegates only to allow all to benefit personally from the course. Bookings will only be confirmed when payment is received.
If you wish to book send an email to david@marketable.co.uk and you will be sent an electronic invoice for £95.00 per person. This includes lunch

[Moderator David@stives]

The course time is only 4 hours in the classroom

I think BWCa course is 8 hours for roughly the same price

[davidsabishop]

Its the quality that counts and its trying to take into consideration travelling time.
Would you want to start a course at 9.00am on a Saturday morning?