[justin brown]

I dont use heat, apart from the prespray. Derek Bolton told me heat was a waste of time and money, if anyone knows better than i will listen?!!  :

[john martin]

Can anyone describe the ' microsplitting ' constituents  ? and specifically in relation to how its effective at cold water temperatures .
Is it referring to a specific constituents or has it become a generic term for a range of constituents  and specific to carpet cleaning .
Is it referring to water softeners ?  sodium carbonate , sodium phosphate , zeolites  ?
or to synthetic surfactants or both perhaps ?

seems almost a UK carpet cleaning term ,  If you search ' microsplitters' on TMF  ,  you only get one post mentioning it ever ....  and from a Uk chap .
 

[petermaybury]

As Doug has said there are scientific reasons why. In chemistry there are reactions that can only be achieved using heat that cannot be replicated with chemicals. There are always people that are going to deny that but how educated are these people?
There are carpet cleaners and carpet cleaners. I have seen the fantastic results that some people think that they get without it , but they have different perceptions than me.
If you think that good results are achievable without heat I would join cleantalk. I have on many occasions varied the heat on my machine and I do know differently to Derek Bolton, heat will give you better results, quicker and with less effort.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com

[heritagecleaning]

I was once told try washing up with cold water and you'll see heat makes a big difference. Fair point?

[Len Gribble]

When I turn on the heater on my LM machine I tend to get more dirt out! Weird or what Thought it was drying time.

[Mr Dvae]

also using hot water dries much quicker

Dave

[Elfyn]

Bold words there from Peter.
I'm a carpet cleaner 9or is that carpet cleaner?) with only 15 years experience. But to challenge the likes of Derek Bolton is folly.

[Jim_77]

Why not though Elfyn?

With the utmost respect to the more senior members of our profession, they originate from the days where a single 2-stage vac and 50psi pump was the norm.  Things change, boundaries are re-defined, new technology changes the playing field.

In their earlier years they were probably challenging the old guard from a previous generation as to what products/systems were the best.  "shampooing" was the method du jour, whilst HWE was the ground-breaking method some decades ago.  If it wasn't for progression and innovation we'd all still be riding around on a horse & cart, living in mud huts........

The heat argument is one that will rage on forever.  Likewise the pre-vac argument.

We all do it differently, and I know what I prefer, so each to his own.  Just because someone who's been cleaning carpets 30+ years says "oooh you shouldn't do that" doesn't mean they're right and you're wrong (and vice versa of course).  It just means they don't think the same  

[Richard Basey-Fisher]

i like it hot

[Elfyn]

So, back to Marcus' original question - toss a coin. 

[gwrightson]

I  would suggest quoting Derick to justify your uses of cold water is papering over the facts,as most of us who have met Derick do know he is infact an excellent teacher and very knowledgable guy, however i believe you will find Derick does have alliances with a paticular party : 

Geoff.

[Warren Aldridge]

If heat is a waste of time and money then why do you use hot prespray? Whats the difference then

Seriously!

[Kinver_Clean]

The term 'microsplitter' was coined to try to describe the action of the cleaning solution. It has no scientific basis.

With microsplitters the actual dirt loosening is done in the prespray and agitation stages. The loose dirt removal is done at the rinse stage.
As the dirt is already loose a cold rinse works.
With detergent in the tank heat is needed to loosen the dirt as it is 'rinsed' out at the same time with no agitation, this also leaves a residue of detergent in the carpet.

The two cleaning solution types work in entirely different ways.

[gwrightson]

..........  and cleaning with hot water improves the use of m/s  ,

jees , i just cannot believe the arguments some c/c put up to verify just using cold water

Of course cold water users will argue the facts , they do have to try and justify the lack of heat in portys with no or inadequate heaters. 

quite simple really, !!!!

Geoff.

ps.   i just going to clean my dishes in cold water  to see exactly how well it works

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

'Microsplitters' as well as detergents both work better with heat.

The idea that microsplitters have to be agitated and detergents do not originated from the marketing which was adopted when these sodium tripolyphosphate products were first pushed.

Many of the so called experts have very few, if any  technical qualifications and are often closely associated with a particular supplier.

Cheers

Doug

p.s The word detergent comes from the latin word Tergere, to clean.

[Ian Gourlay]

I have just been reading a  training manual by Jeff Cross on my Kindle

Jeff is a top International trainer and editor of Cleanfax.

He confirms as Geoff says you need hot water to clean dishes but also to clean Upholstery and Carpets. 

[justin brown]

i think Jim summed it up the best. I use hot prespray as that was what i was told to do by an 'expert', i dont use hot water as i was also advised i dont need it. i am obviously no expert, just following the guidance of a course i paid to go on. After 2 years cleaning i have never used hot water, maybe i should give it a go and find out for myself!

[Elfyn]

Why not though Elfyn?

With the utmost respect to the more senior members of our profession, they originate from the days where a single 2-stage vac and 50psi pump was the norm.  Things change, boundaries are re-defined, new technology changes the playing field.

In their earlier years they were probably challenging the old guard from a previous generation as to what products/systems were the best.  "shampooing" was the method du jour, whilst HWE was the ground-breaking method some decades ago.  If it wasn't for progression and innovation we'd all still be riding around on a horse & cart, living in mud huts........

The heat argument is one that will rage on forever.  Likewise the pre-vac argument.

We all do it differently, and I know what I prefer, so each to his own.  Just because someone who's been cleaning carpets 30+ years says "oooh you shouldn't do that" doesn't mean they're right and you're wrong (and vice versa of course).  It just means they don't think the same  

Surely, by using the latest chemicals and the advantages of reducing the water temareture that go with them we are embracing new technology.

Geoff, I didn't raise Derek's name - I only tried to defend him.
I do have, as previously stated, an inline heater, I simply don't see the need for it. My example was for E.O.T. cleans - if there is hot water available at the tap, Ill use it.

[john martin]

Surely, by using the latest chemicals and the advantages of reducing the water temperature that go with them we are embracing new technology.

I think the point some are trying to make is that there is no ' new technology '  in relation to products claiming to work at cold water or lower temperatures .

Its technology thats been around for decades and used in lots of cleaning products , carpet cleaning , laundry detergent  etc .  enabling products to clean better at lower temperatures , but not as good or better than the same product a higher temperature .

the only difference between these products and the newer ones you refer to is
....  marketing .

[Kinver_Clean]

I did not make it clear above that I use HOT PRESPRAY as this does have advantages.
After a dwell time with agitation there is no heat left in the carpet so I rinse with cold.
Why waste energy rinsing with hot when the cleaning work has already been done?
I think you will find that washing machines rinse with cold water and only use hot when they are using detergents in the main wash.
Microsplitters are not detergents.