Nothing worse than seeing two suppliers being pitted against each other, it's happening here, the hard floor section, and I've even seen it happening with software recently. As Shaun said in another thread, when you're arguing on a public forum you're only fighting for 3rd place - the winner will be the ones letting the results speak for themselves (And yes I know there is no official rep from either of the machine mfrs commenting on here, but the undertones are definately there).