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Poll

What is your take on it?

I couldn't care less as long as it doesn't affect my earnings
38.2%
29 (38.2%)
I do what I can to reduce water use
44.7%
34 (44.7%)
I change my work methods to save water
10.5%
8 (10.5%)
I harvest rainwater so not a prob
6.6%
5 (6.6%)

Total Members Voted: 62

LWC Ltd

  • Posts: 122
Moral issue for drought orders?
« on: March 15, 2012, 05:59:40 pm »
Some things to think about......

Some window cleaners have had water boards come round looking for leaks because of the amount of water used to fill up a 1000L tank every day

If you use an RO set up then to fill up your 1000L tank your looking at actually consuming around 4000L plus of water with 3000L of drinking water going down the drain.

Fresh water is a finite resource - should we be bothered about how much water we use?

Dave Willis

Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2012, 06:05:40 pm »
It's a shocking waste of water - I blame the health and safety guys.
I wonder if the rich have pangs of guilt when they fill their swimming pools up or top their koi carp ponds?

Lee GLS

  • Posts: 3844
Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2012, 06:07:10 pm »
I think adjusting the waste on your ro so there will be less waste even though it will be to the detriment of TDS would help a little, also flow controllers and taps on poles make a big difference. We have a 650L tank, 2 users, 2 flow controllers, and we use aqua dapters, we never run out in a day, it amazes me how much water some actually use!

steven ainger

  • Posts: 1953
Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2012, 06:11:55 pm »
My opinion is,
If the water companys were nationalised, and all our water bills went back into investment into the infrastucture, mending, replacing pipes, new reserviors etc,
Also being able to transfer large amounts of water from areas with abundant amounts of water to those who dont.
We get enough rain in this country, but most of it goes down the drain.

lee_dewing

  • Posts: 3124
Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2012, 06:19:33 pm »
I use to average 9 x 25 litre barrels a day.

Since Fan jets use 7 x 25 barrels a day. So 225 litres to 175 litres.

Will get an aqua-dapter soon see if i can shave a bit of that.

I don't like using loads of water and do feel guilty if i think the floor looks too wet at custies house.

If they could invent a hover board and i could float up to the windows i'd still do trad :D
Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work.     - Aristotle

Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2012, 06:29:44 pm »
I think adjusting the waste on your ro so there will be less waste even though it will be to the detriment of TDS would help a little, also flow controllers and taps on poles make a big difference. We have a 650L tank, 2 users, 2 flow controllers, and we use aqua dapters, we never run out in a day, it amazes me how much water some actually use!

same here, me and wife, same setup as lee above, and I rarely use above 350 litres on a full day wfp'ing everything.

also decreased waste in RO to conserve abit.

rosskesava

  • Posts: 17015
Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2012, 06:38:02 pm »
I use what I need to use but I don't waste it in the same way I do not like to waste food, money, my time, etc, etc.

I class those that run our utilities along with investment bankers and the like - they're thieves and jackals and they don't give one hoot about society. All that matter is that the cash keeps rolling in.
Just chant..... Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It's beats chanting Tory Tory or Labour Labour.

andyM

  • Posts: 6100
Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2012, 06:42:16 pm »
Most of the water we consume from the mains supply goes back into the water treatment process.  ;) 
One of the Plebs

Nick Wareham

  • Posts: 244
Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2012, 07:06:57 pm »
Quote
Fresh water is a finite resource

no it isnt.

It gets recirculated and has done for thousands of years.

Its pretty much infinate.

Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2012, 07:30:08 pm »
If the water companies looked ahead and build more storage dams we would never have a problem this is not a dry country. But these companies will find it a time to up prices.We should only pay for the service of water as all water belong to the people of the U K. This country is so small we should be able to pump water across the country.Its just bad planning and big profits.All utilities, trains transport, insurance and basic food should be under strict state control to stop the exploitation of people.  

CLEANCARE WC

  • Posts: 4454
Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2012, 07:42:31 pm »
If the water companies looked ahead and build more storage dams we would never have a problem this is not a dry country. But these companies will find it a time to up prices.We should only pay for the service of water as all water belong to the people of the U K. This country is so small we should be able to pump water across the country.Its just bad planning and big profits.All utilities, trains transport, insurance and basic foote should be under strict state control to stop the exploitation of people. 

 :o ok stalin!  ;D
WE CLEAN BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT WITH WATER FED POLE WHEN WORKING AT HEIGHT.

supernova77

  • Posts: 3547
Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2012, 08:04:00 pm »
Quote
Some things to think about......

Some window cleaners have had water boards come round looking for leaks because of the amount of water used to fill up a 1000L tank every day

If you use an RO set up then to fill up your 1000L tank your looking at actually consuming around 4000L plus of water with 3000L of drinking water going down the drain.

Fresh water is a finite resource - should we be bothered about how much water we use?

What about all the breweries around the country, and other drinks companies?

Water is vital to their business, and it's vital for us if we are WFP - No difference in my mind!

Andy

CLEANCARE WC

  • Posts: 4454
Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2012, 08:10:03 pm »
Quote
Some things to think about......

Some window cleaners have had water boards come round looking for leaks because of the amount of water used to fill up a 1000L tank every day

If you use an RO set up then to fill up your 1000L tank your looking at actually consuming around 4000L plus of water with 3000L of drinking water going down the drain.

Fresh water is a finite resource - should we be bothered about how much water we use?

What about all the breweries around the country, and other drinks companies?

Water is vital to their business, and it's vital for us if we are WFP - No difference in my mind!

Andy

this is exactly what i have been saying.
WE CLEAN BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT WITH WATER FED POLE WHEN WORKING AT HEIGHT.

Bay View WCS

  • Posts: 297
Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2012, 08:10:30 pm »
I clicked 'I couldn't care less' but I also do what I can to save water - but only to the extent that I need to make sure I do not run out during the day and using less water will ultimately save DI resin in the long run (although that is probably neglible in the long run).

As has been said before, there has been no major investment in the infrastructure for many years- the short sighted removal of profits to feed shareholders can only last a certain time before the cracks begin to show; unfortunately, those cracks are then highlighted and Joe Public suffers with hose pipe bans and increased water rates.

For F***s sake we live on an island surrounded by water - a few desalination plants would help surely!  We have a high level of rainfall that is not captured effectively.  Rocket science it ain't!

The only aim a corporation has is to make money; period.  They care little about the service they provide and even less about the end user.

So like I said, I don't really care any more than they care about us.  

Profit is King.





(walks silently back to garage to put soapbox away again)

Londoner

Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2012, 08:15:12 pm »
Most of the water we consume from the mains supply goes back into the water treatment process.  ;) 

Thats right, they get it back but they might not see it that way

Londoner

Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2012, 08:18:11 pm »
Quote
Some things to think about...... Some window cleaners have had water boards come round looking for leaks because of the amount of water used to fill up a 1000L tank every day If you use an RO set up then to fill up your 1000L tank your looking at actually consuming around 4000L plus of water with 3000L of drinking water going down the drain. Fresh water is a finite resource - should we be bothered about how much water we use?
What about all the breweries around the country, and other drinks companies? Water is vital to their business, and it's vital for us if we are WFP - No difference in my mind! Andy

The breweries are probably classed as food production. Anyway, they pay for their water on commercial tarriffs

amayze

  • Posts: 341
Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2012, 08:43:26 pm »
I've decided to stop cleaning conservatory roofs, using wfp and jet washing patio's & drives.
Then I can demonstrate that I have reduced our water useage - and they would stop us from working

tacky

  • Posts: 1575
Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2012, 09:02:53 pm »
im with cleancare on this one .if they can pipe gas around country ,the water companies can build bigger dams in wales n scotland .n pipe it to areas which need it .the dams that ar suppling us with water now were built in the stoneage for the small population at that time .the rain we have in wales n scotland we should be drought free .
          i have just started charging custies n xtra 50 pence to water their plants

H S and Son

Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2012, 09:10:06 pm »
The figures quoted in the OP are IMO way out of the ordinary. I checked my R.O.s production rate yesterday and it was

43% production/57% waste.

Ive no idea where 25% production/75% waste comes from.

AuRavelling79

  • Posts: 26677
Re: Moral issue for drought orders?
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2012, 09:11:25 pm »
No drought or hosepipe ban due here in Bristol - our forebears had the wisdom (like Birmingham) to put money into Wales and build dams over there and divert water to the Severn so that as it goes past Sharpness (about 20 miles North of Bristol) it is drawn off into the canal and feeds Bristol.

We also have reservoirs in Cheddar and Chew Valley to the South and do pretty well out of it all.

But as Nick Wareham said it is an infinite source and just gets treated. And my RO waste needs little treatment - helps dilute all the soapy stuff from washing clothes (and scrims and applicators from tradders  ;D ) and dishes and ourselves. Makes it easier to process.

It ain't oil - where it runs out and becomes more difficult to obtain.

Having said that I don't just chuck it away on the same basis as Rosskesava said.
It's a game of three halves!