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CLEANCARE WC

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Re: Looks like we'll have a new main topic very soon!
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2012, 05:33:41 pm »
Just heard on the radio an hour ago Anglian water (thats my area) have just ordered a hosepipe ban, not worried yet its drought orders that might prove difficult.
WE CLEAN BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT WITH WATER FED POLE WHEN WORKING AT HEIGHT.

Poles R Us

ban on hose
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2012, 06:02:26 pm »
does this effect us ??

Hosepipe bans are to be issued in south-east England and East Anglia from April 5 with fears drought could spread as far north as East Yorkshire

Klean07

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Re: ban on hose
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2012, 06:05:32 pm »
Yes any wc thats not registered as being commercial with their water company will be charged accordingly or fined £1,000!!!
kkleanwindowcleaning.co.uk

p1w1

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Re: ban on hose
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2012, 06:37:47 pm »
Yes any wc thats not registered as being commercial with their water company will be charged  :D ;Daccordingly or fined £1,000!!!

Oh no I best sign off the dole then

Paul Coleman

Re: ban on hose
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2012, 06:42:29 pm »
Yes any wc thats not registered as being commercial with their water company will be charged accordingly or fined £1,000!!!

I don't know if you are messing about but that's not possible for some.  For instance,what about a situation where a few businesses are in work units and the landlord pays the water company.  He might charge the businesses based on self-installed meters.

robbie72

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Re: ban on hose
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2012, 06:53:23 pm »
do you have to register as a business with your water company

Pj

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Re: ban on hose
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2012, 06:58:51 pm »
I think you'll find it is cheaper to pay £1000 fine than to register as a business user.  Business tariff is for monster users

Steve_c

Re: ban on hose
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2012, 07:01:02 pm »
Yes any wc thats not registered as being commercial with their water company will be charged accordingly or fined £1,000!!!
That is rubbish, the water board don't charge you commercial rates from a private dwelling. All you need to do is let the water board know what you are doing and metered accordingly.. Hose pipe bans do not affect you if you are running a business. Your right about the fine, but i was told by a southern water board inspector the fine can be as much as £10,000 if you are none compliant. I have a sub meter fitted for none sewage use and this is deduced from the main meter and charged to my business. A hose pipe ban will still affect your home for instance washing your car and watering the garden.

bumper

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Re: ban on hose
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2012, 07:01:25 pm »
just trade and use a bucketfull last you

paulben

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Re: ban on hose
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2012, 07:02:59 pm »
Should be ok as long as hose is not connected to mains tap .Drought order might be differant best to check wording of hosepipe ban when its issued
Do not steal the government hates competition

advanced

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better start signing on boys
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2012, 07:07:22 pm »
Looks like a  bad drought here in south east and they are allready talking about restricting commercial customers.

Steve_c

Re: ban on hose
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2012, 07:11:33 pm »
 From the BWCA

The 2004-2006 drought in South East England served to focus attention on the outdated nature of the 1991 Drought Direction, which sets out the circumstances under which water companies may apply for a drought order, and also the restrictions that they are able to impose.

The consultation document sets out proposed changes to current legislation and aims to gather information from interested parties on the suitability of those changes.

The British Window Cleaning Academy is actively involved in this consultation, and recognizes that the proposed changes may have an impact on the way window cleaners work in drought conditions.

However, it must be emphasized that it is not yet clear how the proposed changes would (if at all) affect window cleaners, as the proposal document does not specifically discuss the cleaning of windows by tradesmen, but only generically (ie the cleaning of windows by the householder)

The definition of window cleaning "using sprinkler, hosepipe or similar apparatus" is also the subject of some dispute, especially as to whether this definition extends to the use of water-fed poles or not.

Pure Water - A Manufactured Product
The proposal document makes clear that any restrictions apply only to water that has not been "used". Although no definition of this term is given, some useful guidance is provided;

 "Our proposals apply only to water supplied by water companies under their statutory supply duties. These supply duties are directly linked to quality criteria. The filling of a receptacle by hosepipe from the mains supply, with no intervening use, for a proscribed purpose would be a breach of any restrictions in force. However, once water supplied by a water company has been used then that water is no longer of a kind that was originally supplied"

Section 3.3.3.1 (italics ours)

According to this guidance, restrictions both present and future do not apply to water that is "no longer of a kind that was originally supplied" .It is obvious that once water has passed through the treatment processes which enable it to be used for window cleaning, it too is "no longer of a kind that was originally supplied"

Of course, in order to make use of water for window cleaning with a water-fed pole system, a number of processes are necessary to alter the quality of the water. In fact, the production of pure water for window cleaning is in itself a "use" and in many other industries, purified water is considered a manufactured product, with mains water being simply a raw material. Since water purification is not subject to any restriction, this would be an effective defence if one were needed.

"Hosepipe Ban" to be replaced by "Discretionary Use Ban"
At present, water companies can, at their discretion, impose 'hosepipe bans' in an effort to reduce water consumption by the public. These hosepipe bans are limited in their scope by section 76 of The Water Industry Act 1991.

Put simply, by imposing a hosepipe ban water companies can restrict certain uses of water drawn from their supply network, including washing of private cars, the watering of private gardens etc. Hosepipe bans do not have any impact on window cleaning by method, including the domestic sector. This means, for example, that during a hosepipe ban a householder would not be allowed to wash their car using a hosepipe, but would be allowed to wash their windows
with a hosepipe.

There are several proposed changes to this structure which involve the replacing the 'hosepipe ban' with a more consistent 'discretionary use ban'. Under the proposal this would be much broader in its scope and restrict a wider range of activities than the 'hosepipe ban'.

Section 4.1.4 (v) of the proposal document makes clear that under the new discretionary use ban that, just like the washing of private cars, within the domestic sector window cleaning using a hosepipe will be restricted. By limiting the discretionary use ban to the domestic sector (ie use by householders, not window cleaners) this change would have no impact on the way window cleaners work. This is because window cleaners, whatever type of properties they clean, operate in the commercial, and not the domestic sector.


Erithwc

Re: better start signing on boys
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2012, 07:11:52 pm »
I will be fine i know how to trad and use a ladder  ;D ;D ;D

mark311069

Re: ban on hose
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2012, 07:12:00 pm »
i would be intrested if anybody has spoken to anglian water about this. ive just got of the phone to them after asking about the hosepipe ban, told them i used a water fed system to work and iam on a domestic tariff. they didnt have clue after putting me on hold they came back and asked how much water i have in my bucket ??? ???

paul kitchiner

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Re: better start signing on boys
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2012, 07:13:40 pm »
Oh to be a trady. Get your trady skills going wfp boys.

paul kitchiner

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Re: ban on hose
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2012, 07:16:16 pm »
Oh to be a trady

CLEANCARE WC

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BUSINESS'S WILL NOT BE AFFECTED!
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2012, 07:21:32 pm »
Business's will not be effected....

Those are the words that just came out of the Anglia news presenters mouth regarding hose pipe bans....Phew!!!
WE CLEAN BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT WITH WATER FED POLE WHEN WORKING AT HEIGHT.

Lee GLS

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Re: BUSINESS'S WILL NOT BE AFFECTED!
« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2012, 07:24:29 pm »
Do you have to register as a business though?

the gedi

Re: better start signing on boys
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2012, 07:27:29 pm »
how will trad guys wash there scims as their washing machines will use a lot of water to wash them , then it takes even more water to clean the waste water produced by their washing scims, so they will prob use more water than a wfp operater

Steve_c

Re: ban on hose
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2012, 07:29:19 pm »
i would be intrested if anybody has spoken to anglian water about this. ive just got of the phone to them after asking about the hosepipe ban, told them i used a water fed system to work and iam on a domestic tariff. they didnt have clue after putting me on hold they came back and asked how much water i have in my bucket ??? ???
I have gone through all this for weeks with southern water, a inspector needs to visit you.