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richywilts

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Re: anyone ave any younglads on apprenticeships
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2012, 04:22:22 pm »
for everyone geggin in i said in first post it was an idea for christs sake

im having a load of leaflets knocked up n i was planning on paying him 20-30 quid a day 3 days a week

hes in college two days a week

if he was willing to learn a skill and be prepared to work for these wages and worked hard under my main operators supervision then what have i too lose.

andy wouldnt except him messing round as he likes to do a proper days graft.

if you look into apprenticeships there training is funded so saves coming out my money so ipaf,cscs and so on would be paid for

hes learning two different skills in plumbing and window cleaning and im getting cheap labour 3 days a week which would free up my time a little to work on other stuff if it suits

Richard Wiltshire
Window Clean Direct

richardwiltshire36@yahoo.co.uk
www.windowcleandirect.co.uk
07894821844

Re: anyone ave any younglads on apprenticeships
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2012, 05:08:12 pm »
how old is he?

Re: anyone ave any younglads on apprenticeships
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2012, 05:23:08 pm »
for everyone geggin in i said in first post it was an idea for christs sake

im having a load of leaflets knocked up n i was planning on paying him 20-30 quid a day 3 days a week

hes in college two days a week

if he was willing to learn a skill and be prepared to work for these wages and worked hard under my main operators supervision then what have i too lose.

andy wouldnt except him messing round as he likes to do a proper days graft.

if you look into apprenticeships there training is funded so saves coming out my money so ipaf,cscs and so on would be paid for

hes learning two different skills in plumbing and window cleaning and im getting cheap labour 3 days a week which would free up my time a little to work on other stuff if it suits



Richy

I think you need to do some more reading, because what you are reading is wrong, for a start with have the Minimum Wage

Current NMW rates

There are different levels of NMW, depending on your age and whether you are an apprentice. The current rates (from 1 October 2011) are:
•£6.08 - the main rate for workers aged 21 and over
•£4.98 - the 18-20 rate
•£3.68 - the 16-17 rate for workers above school leaving age but under 18
•£2.60 - the apprentice rate, for apprentices under 19 or 19 or over and in the first year of their apprenticeship

Then we have the Minimum Holiday entitlements.

There is a minimum right to paid holiday, but your employer may offer more than this. The main things you should know about holiday rights are that:

•you are entitled to a minimum of 5.6 weeks paid annual leave - 28 days for someone working five days a week (capped at a statutory maximum of 28 days for all working patterns)
•part-time workers are entitled to the same level of holiday pro rata (so 5.6 times your usual working week, eg 22.4 days for someone working four days a week)

•you start building up holiday as soon as you start work
•your employer can control when you take your holiday
•you get paid your normal pay for your holiday
•when you finish a job, you get paid for any holiday you have not taken
•bank and public holidays can be included in your minimum entitlement
•you continue to be entitled to your holiday leave throughout your ordinary and additional maternity leave and paternity and adoption leave

Next is the training, it is free for apprentices who are age 16 to 19 and NOT already at collage, over this age and the employer has to pay half, you will normally find that the traing consists of basic maths and english is they haven't reached the levels nessasary when they left school, and most collages only offer the cleaning course, which give the basic requirements on cleaning windows and H&S they are shown how to use a mop and squeegie, but they are NOT trained in Ipaf or any other mechanical lifting device.

You and your apprentice have to go though an interview, on yours you need to show your employers and PPL insurance, also copys of your H&S policy.

There are laws which you need to abide by

wfp master

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Re: anyone ave any younglads on apprenticeships
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2012, 05:34:07 pm »
never seen an apprentice w/c do they get day release from college 1 or 2 days a week & what do they do to get a apprentticeship what course do they do to become a time served w/c.

Re: anyone ave any younglads on apprenticeships
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2012, 05:39:07 pm »
never seen an apprentice w/c do they get day release from college 1 or 2 days a week & what do they do to get a apprentticeship what course do they do to become a time served w/c.

strange as it sounds, but yes there are apprentiship courses, these are normally tagged onto general cleaning and incorporate window cleaning.

They do go to collage and they are also accessed in the field (so hi viz is a must) by the collage as well.

I think that richy is looking for a shortcut around this though.

Re: anyone ave any younglads on apprenticeships
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2012, 05:47:42 pm »
Pure Hydro.
How  can you ask if Richie has a business plan and I quote "if i cud have two lads cleaning 350-400 a day and only paying 90quid tats good business sense and if it was a success and i employed another apprentice to go out with me ya getting 700 a day cleaned and only paying out 120-130 a day in wages for window cleaning"
Is this not a business plan I though it was quite elaborate plan. ??? ::) ::)



wfp master

  • Posts: 2553
Re: anyone ave any younglads on apprenticeships
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2012, 05:48:01 pm »
must be a very short course its not rocket science. ;D

Re: anyone ave any younglads on apprenticeships
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2012, 06:02:21 pm »
Pure Hydro.
How  can you ask if Richie has a business plan and I quote "if i cud have two lads cleaning 350-400 a day and only paying 90quid tats good business sense and if it was a success and i employed another apprentice to go out with me ya getting 700 a day cleaned and only paying out 120-130 a day in wages for window cleaning"
Is this not a business plan I though it was quite elaborate plan. ??? ::) ::)




I stand corrected, I wish I went to business school though :P

richywilts

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Re: anyone ave any younglads on apprenticeships
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2012, 06:04:48 pm »
I'm not looking deep into it just a thought the other night n thought I'd post on here c if anyone has an experience to share I've only briefly googled it.

I just thought it may make job more structured and secure if he was to get more from it that a bit of cash in hand sort of basis
Richard Wiltshire
Window Clean Direct

richardwiltshire36@yahoo.co.uk
www.windowcleandirect.co.uk
07894821844

jouk45

  • Posts: 2010
Re: Div of the day award goes to ......
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2012, 06:11:55 pm »
Jouk soured or soared? Lol
soared, i did that on purpose to see if you would notice  ::)

Danny Guest

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Re: anyone ave any younglads on apprenticeships
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2012, 06:44:43 pm »
I'm not looking deep into it just a thought the other night n thought I'd post on here c if anyone has an experience to share I've only briefly googled it.

I just thought it may make job more structured and secure if he was to get more from it that a bit of cash in hand sort of basis
Richy

I applied for an apprentice and was refused. The reason was that they could not find a college course relevant to window cleaning. It was in October 2011 and i havent applied since so let me know if you have any success.

Danny
Guest Cleaning Services

Re: anyone ave any younglads on apprenticeships
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2012, 06:50:37 pm »
Richy

If I was you I would take some time to think how you are going to move forward, don't rush from one scheme to another, you will fail.

Look at your business and how it stands, do you only clean windows, if so, diversify.

Learn how to clean gutters and carpet cleaning, your already have the customers all you need to do is market the new services to them.

Look at your customers and cull it down a bit, get rid of the under quoted or pain in the arse ones, if you sell these on it will bring in some cash to re-invest in the business.

Up your prices on new work, if they agree then you are earning more without working harder, if they don't then you haven't lost anything.

When you have had a long think on which way you want to go, then take it slowly, don't rush.