[Elfyn]

I think the vid is just about right - but with a bit more vigour. 
I agree with spruce - needs more attention to the horizontal parts of the frame.

[GB Window Cleaning]

too slow?  the majority of you have voted once over frames twice over glass! that is just about what that video was! i agree he seems to avoid the frames. but if he did a once over the frames thats what it is!

so i must assume the people saying its too slow are the ones voting for once over frmaes once over glass? or the people that are not voting at all

again my technique at the minute is as this video on anything above ground floor (but including frames" and once over frames and glass on ground floor work ( as you can see better if you miss anything and give an axra scrub as and when required)

again thanks for reading and watching

you input is very welcome

george

[andyM]

Yes the frames should of been given a quick clean.
But to be fair im wondering because it was being recorded they didn't work as fast as normal?
Im sure they can and do work faster than that when they want to. 
That video was made by saj window cleaners.

[GB Window Cleaning]

here is another video from S.A.J

again this is what i mean by twice over the glass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcoKSgLtDLo&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

thanks for watching folks

george

[GB Window Cleaning]

and finally this is what i mean by once ove the glass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSTRDhj9ihI&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

i hope these videos will help you make a better informed vote

thankyou

george

[G Griffin]

Hello George,
   There are many things to consider when honing your technique. Frequency of clean. Is it on a main road. Has it been windy. Things close to the window that could affect it- trees can make windows dirtier, especially when it's been windy. Even hot weather- glass gets hot, dirt baked on, so more water and effort are neeeded. And so on and so on.
And you should be able to see how dirty a first floor window is. Try standing to the side a bit and concentrate on the top part of the window.
You really need to get it right in your own head and get a feel or instinct for what's needed.
By all means, take all the advise you can but take the bits that you need. You need to understand the different techniques and windows and know what is required and when.

[GB Window Cleaning]

thanks g griffin, i appreiciate your time mate. some things to consider there!

george

[GB Window Cleaning]

Hello George,
   There are many things to consider when honing your technique. Frequency of clean. Is it on a main road. Has it been windy. Things close to the window that could affect it- trees can make windows dirtier, especially when it's been windy. Even hot weather- glass gets hot, dirt baked on, so more water and effort are neeeded. And so on and so on.
And you should be able to see how dirty a first floor window is. Try standing to the side a bit and concentrate on the top part of the window.
You really need to get it right in your own head and get a feel or instinct for what's needed.
By all means, take all the advise you can but take the bits that you need. You need to understand the different techniques and windows and know what is required and when.

so on average which one have/would you vote for?

thanks

[AS Window Cleaning]

I move the brush with a lot more urgency than that, same as when i do it traditional, i am not hanging around or moving my hands/arms so slowly.  So i probably clean the windows the same amount of times, more sometimes maybe, but a heck of a lot quicker basically!

[Smudger]

Both techniques are pretty sound and depending on the job you would clean accordingly.

In fairness to SAJ - you have to slow down your cleaning a little otherwise the video will look pants.

as with anything instructional there is no point doing it so fast that those wishing to learn cant see
whats happening.

anyway -  the majority of cleans are done in a simular manner to the last vid

Darran

[G Griffin]

Hello George,
   There are many things to consider when honing your technique. Frequency of clean. Is it on a main road. Has it been windy. Things close to the window that could affect it- trees can make windows dirtier, especially when it's been windy. Even hot weather- glass gets hot, dirt baked on, so more water and effort are neeeded. And so on and so on.
And you should be able to see how dirty a first floor window is. Try standing to the side a bit and concentrate on the top part of the window.
You really need to get it right in your own head and get a feel or instinct for what's needed.
By all means, take all the advise you can but take the bits that you need. You need to understand the different techniques and windows and know what is required and when.

so on average which one have/would you vote for?

thanks

I couldn't say. 2 windows on the same house could be different. I'm still not very good with wfp but if I were I'd  develop a technique so you know that the window will be clean- overkill, if you like- and then you'll probably get quicker and more confident as you gain experience.
As you go along, you might know a quick scrub and rinse on one house will do but another might need a bit more.
Understanding how to clean is the thing, in my opinion, rather than set 'rules'.

Btw, George, can you trad? Because it's the same with trad and when I first started (trad), I was getting marks/kicks on some windows because I wasn't cleaning the glass well enough. On some windows, one pass with the applicator wasn't enough and other it was.

[GB Window Cleaning]

Hello George,
   There are many things to consider when honing your technique. Frequency of clean. Is it on a main road. Has it been windy. Things close to the window that could affect it- trees can make windows dirtier, especially when it's been windy. Even hot weather- glass gets hot, dirt baked on, so more water and effort are neeeded. And so on and so on.
And you should be able to see how dirty a first floor window is. Try standing to the side a bit and concentrate on the top part of the window.
You really need to get it right in your own head and get a feel or instinct for what's needed.
By all means, take all the advise you can but take the bits that you need. You need to understand the different techniques and windows and know what is required and when.

so on average which one have/would you vote for?

thanks

I couldn't say. 2 windows on the same house could be different. I'm still not very good with wfp but if I were I'd  develop a technique so you know that the window will be clean- overkill, if you like- and then you'll probably get quicker and more confident as you gain experience.
As you go along, you might know a quick scrub and rinse on one house will do but another might need a bit more.
Understanding how to clean is the thing, in my opinion, rather than set 'rules'.

Btw, George, can you trad? Because it's the same with trad and when I first started (trad), I was getting marks/kicks on some windows because I wasn't cleaning the glass well enough. On some windows, one pass with the applicator wasn't enough and other it was.

yeah i can trad, i find the difference with trad though is you can see straight away when you bladed the glass if it needs another pass.

this time of year with wfp you can never be 100% its clean becuase it hasnt dried most the time by the time you leave, so ive been going back to houses to check up and noticed i few bits on some glass.

but mostly i stared this poll to gauge what others do to see if im over doing it. as im always looking to improve technique and as they say... "time = moneys" 

thanks for you input mate

george 

keep the votes coming dudes  many thanks to you all who have voted so far

[GB Window Cleaning]

this is what it says on the gardiners website for those who havnt read it already...




Pure-Water Pole-Fed Basic Operating Instructions

This section will provide a basic guide to using a WFP set-up. Please note that it is only provided as a guide and is not definitive as there are many variations in methods.
Having filled the vehicle tank, you are now ready to start cleaning windows -
1. Pull your hose end out of vehicle. Plug in hose reel and reel out your microbore to the furthest point first and then work back.

2. Ensure your pump is switched on. Plug pole in. Extend pole.

3. Turn on flow valve.

4. Always start by brushing the whole window first with your water flow on, concentrating on top edge of glass first as this is where most dirt collects. This is where you start rinsing so you want to get it really clean. Brush entire window at least twice. If this is a first clean you may need to brush and rinse several times.

5. Once window pane has been brushed, you need to rinse off. Holding your pole head 10-12 inches from the window pane you need to rinse the window pane. Your aim is to achieve a 'water-curtain' effect from the top of the pane down. Always build up a 'head' of water at the top and then follow it down the pane with the water jets. Never try to rinse too wide a section of glass at a time, ie, you may have just brushed down a 10 ft wide window but rinse it off in 2 ft strips down.
If cleaning Georgian windows, only rise two panes width down at a time. Check your window after rinsing for any bits that need an extra rinse or even another scrub.


Words of caution-
Vents, be very careful on some modern windows with top mounted vents as these can hold a lot of dirt. When rinsing down be careful not to spray any water into these vents, as it will later run back down as 'dirty' water usually about 5 minutes after you walk away from the window!
Old Windows, these will need a thorough scrub the first clean and careful rinsing afterward as they can hold a lot of dirt in the cracked putty.

That's it - it's simple.

[Window Washers]

Need your services dude
Not next week week after if your available ?

Call me on mobile tomorrow night if your about as cant talk for hours tonight    have to get a few sites changed and online

[mike richardson]

we have been using a detergent on the window with wfp over last 2 week becouse of the winds making the windows really greasy and have found it quicker than scrubbing for ages we quickly soap up all the windows on the entire house and by the time you wfp them all and do a good rinse they come up immaculate with no spotting at all.
but usually never use detergent normally
as for amount of times over glass it is till it feels clean as well as looks clean
but we know now which houses are bad and which are easy so are preperedto spend extra time on the difficult ones

[GB Window Cleaning]

so i did a little speed test today on one house, i went over the 1st and 2nd floor using my normal method on the pole but on the ground floor i literally whipped over them, just to see what i can get away with.

the glass was quite dirty for a 4 weekly clean given the wind weve had but to my suprise when i went cback to check them over when they had dries they were perfet  just goes to show how little brushing is required to get perfect results!

when i say "whipped" over them, i normally go up and down for about 2 or 3 brush strokes per pass (1 pass usually on the ground floor and 2 on anything above ground floor) but for this speed test i just went for one maybe two brush strokes over the glass

just to let you know i use a "sl extreme standard brush" on a good flow rate so i think this might have something to do with it also

thanks for reading

please let me know what you think

george

[dazmond]

i think your overthinking into it all GB!!!

use a higher flow rate and scrub and rinse a bit more  if their dirty(like they are at the mo with all the wind we ve had!!).

if they are pretty clean "splash and dash!!"

[GB Window Cleaning]

i think your overthinking into it all GB!!!

use a higher flow rate and scrub and rinse a bit more  if their dirty(like they are at the mo with all the wind we ve had!!).

if they are pretty clean "splash and dash!!"

thats what i mean though daz mate, its amazing how you can plash and dash glass even when its dirty and get perfect results!

i think this pure water we use is more "aggressive" for cleaning than alot give it credit for, some think you need detergent but you dont.

however, i find white upvc frames to need more scrubbing than glass when its got bird muck etc ground in for a few weeks. but im assuming this is because plastic is more absorbent (porous) than glass

its seems so far most have voted to passes on the glass and one pass over frames, always best be safe than sorry i suppose but i urge you to try one pass of about 2 or 3 brush stroke  over each section of the glass on the ground floor where you can see the results close up and let me know how it dries! just try it on one window tomorrow at least!

thanks

george

[John pearce]

hi, i've been wfp for year & half now, after 21 years on trad, and i just treat the frame work same as the glass, it all collects the same grime !!

[GB Window Cleaning]

still been doing my speed tests today!  ive been going over the ground floors like lightening and i cant get bad results if i try (nearly)

ive been going back to look at the windows after they have dried too and im really inspecting them well and the sun as been low and bright today too! and they are very dirty before i clean them with all the wind thats been around laterly! i must say im pleasently shocked 

anyway good voting so far, its seems twice over the glasss is favourite. better safe than sorry i suppose. to you ot who are voting 3 and 4 times over glass i think your waisting a lot of water maybe! why so much scubbing?

keep the votes coming please

george