[Nathanael Jones]

The Regulations do not ban the use of ladders. Ladders can be used for low-risk, short-duration work and where a risk assessment shows that other more suitable work equipment is not appropriate because of the location.

In your opinion, does the average trad cleaner fall into the "Low-risk, short-duration" category?

[Erithwc]

The Regulations do not ban the use of ladders. Ladders can be used for low-risk, short-duration work and where a risk assessment shows that other more suitable work equipment is not appropriate because of the location.

In your opinion, does the average trad cleaner fall into the "Low-risk, short-duration" category?

wfp is not suitable for ALL work sometime it is safer to use tradition cleaning with a ladder.

if you look at my first reply it was to a user saying that ladders are banned ladders are not banned.

but im off now as my kid are ready to open their presents and its christmas day  see you latter suckers you can all spend your time today discussing the ladder vs wfp topic  : :

[EandM]

Whether restricted by law or not we then get into the derivative insurance situation.

For example: Mortgage Accident Insurance.

If you are trad you might want to check with your mortgage lender that you are actually covered if you are injured in a fall. The fact that H&S allow short term use of ladders ( though they do add 'if there is no safer option' ) doesn't stop the insurance company arguing that you weren't taking all necessary care because you had climbed a ladder and not used a safer option in the first place.

Because we all know what kind and reasonable people the insurance companies are........

[John F]

who gives a toss what method anyone uses to clean windows? if im wfp or trad who does it matter to? i dont care what others use. it makes no difference to me. some customers dont like blokes on a ladder and some dont like windows left wet and see wfp as some way of cheating. who cares? if im wfp why should i care what some other guy uses?

some people need to concentrate on running their own business and stop worrying about what everyone else uses to clean bloody windows for gods sake. get a life and get enough work so you dont need to worry about other window cleaners.

[AS Window Cleaning]

who gives a toss what method anyone uses to clean windows? if im wfp or trad who does it matter to? i dont care what others use. it makes no difference to me. some customers dont like blokes on a ladder and some dont like windows left wet and see wfp as some way of cheating. who cares? if im wfp why should i care what some other guy uses?

some people need to concentrate on running their own business and stop worrying about what everyone else uses to clean bloody windows for gods sake. get a life and get enough work so you dont need to worry about other window cleaners.

    welcome back ginger sue  (or was it kate, i cant remember!  You fan those flames, lol

[EandM]

Ah yes. The traditional time of goodwill.....

[John F]

Ah yes. The traditional time of goodwill.....

 

[Catherine10]

Not me Im afraid AS....

[AS Window Cleaning]

the ginger one knows.....   so your ginger too then!

I'm all cosied up here, should b on here tho! 

[LWC]

Ladders are illegal

i see by your name/avator that you must be a retained fire fighter.  so if ladders are illegal how do you get to upperfloors.

Love how easy you lot bite 

[LWC]

But they are illegal 

Go WFP

[Jeff Brimble]

Yes Ladders are legal (up to a point of about 28ft ish ? )but you wont get on a site or much new commercial work using them.

[Johnny B]

who gives a toss what method anyone uses to clean windows? if im wfp or trad who does it matter to? i dont care what others use. it makes no difference to me. some customers dont like blokes on a ladder and some dont like windows left wet and see wfp as some way of cheating. who cares? if im wfp why should i care what some other guy uses?

some people need to concentrate on running their own business and stop worrying about what everyone else uses to clean bloody windows for gods sake. get a life and get enough work so you dont need to worry about other window cleaners.

Exactly!

John

[Nathanael Jones]

who gives a toss what method anyone uses to clean windows? if im wfp or trad who does it matter to? i dont care what others use. it makes no difference to me. some customers dont like blokes on a ladder and some dont like windows left wet and see wfp as some way of cheating. who cares? if im wfp why should i care what some other guy uses?

some people need to concentrate on running their own business and stop worrying about what everyone else uses to clean bloody windows for gods sake. get a life and get enough work so you dont need to worry about other window cleaners.

Exactly!

John

No one gives a toss until AFTER an accident,.. thats the sad thing. 

[Mike_G]

Far more people die from driving on the roads than falling from ladders, does that mean we should all walk to work from now on?

[steve a]

If ladders are only to be used for short duration work then what about painters and decorators, often see them working way above 9 metres on ladders that are not footed or tied, is it just us window cleaners that are getting picked on.
Also the insurance regarding carrying water in our vans and getting charged extra for this, FFS it is cargo and more often than not it is lashed down or fixed by some means, what about builders, cement mixers and bags of sand etc just thrown in the back, a half ton of bricks, tools, you name it but do they get penalised with their insurance, I think not.
As usual you try to be safe and reduce accidents and you get f***ed over for it.

[John F]

i still dont understand why wfp guys always start these topics. is it because they lose work to trad or is it because the customers have a choice and choose trad over wfp or what? Why should it matter to wfp guys who uses trad? i dont care what they use. when i see people running around on roof tiles and busting them or using ladders that are dangerous then thats a point to make. but why do trad guys seem to matter to wfp guys? i dont see the problem.

[Paul Coleman]

its a shame the HSE are not as concerned over the use of nuclear fuels and messing about with GM foods   Now google the number of deaths from prescribed pharmaceutical drugs its probably safer up that ladder if used properly than visiting your doctor

Depends who your doctor is 

[Klean07]

i still dont understand why wfp guys always start these topics. is it because they lose work to trad or is it because the customers have a choice and choose trad over wfp or what? Why should it matter to wfp guys who uses trad? i dont care what they use. when i see people running around on roof tiles and busting them or using ladders that are dangerous then thats a point to make. but why do trad guys seem to matter to wfp guys? i dont see the problem.

It wasn't specificly aimed at trad wcs it was just something I saw whilst doing some browsing the other day.
I still use ladders for cleaning gutters etc. However when I do a gutter I always get someone else in now to foot the ladder. My son fell off my ladder earlier this year whilst cleaning a con roof. I was working from stepladders from the front and from my ladder at the side. Well due to the fact that the path was a bit slippy he fell off and grazed/bruised his arms. This shook him up big time so hes more carefull these days!!

[Handyman Window Cleaning Services]

But they are illegal 

Go WFP

ladders are still sold in shops, so why sell them if they are illegal.

restricted is the correct word.


i thought the law was that ladders should only be used if there is no other viable method.

if you dont own a wfp system then ladders is your only viable option (scaffolding and cherry picker especially on deomestic isnt viable or economical).

if you do own a wfp system and your doing a builders clean then a ladder may be needed.  but your not up there long enough to be like the man from sky.

as longs you are competent, you have risk assessed the task in hand and you have considered further safety measures then whats the fuss.  but never be complacent