[Mike Halliday]

on the other side of the coin i had a guy fit the steel liner for my wood-burning stove and he charged me £800 for 1.5hrs work .... robbing bas-turd

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I need to get on the 'steel liner forum'

Shaun

[Neil Williams]

I need to get on the 'steel liner forum'

Shaun

Here you are
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/907648-Rust-on-steel-liners

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Thanks Neil my cousin has 7 fireplace shops can't be hard can it?

Shaun

[Hilton]

I'm a P & D by trade, used to be able to paper a lounge in 4 -5 hrs .

Hated every minute of it...

[Neil Williams]

I'm a P & D by trade, used to be able to paper a lounge in 4 -5 hrs .

You should have used the MAXX470 wallpaperer, you'd have done it in 2.5 hours

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

I know lots of painters and decorators and they do o.k , nothing special.

The ones that really make the money are the ones who employ and take on the big contracts.

Cheers

doug

[Ian Gourlay]

Had Dynorod out today although on an Insurance job

However to replace my taps they want £65 an hour

[Tony Gill Carpet Smart]

Price to paper a feature wall around £155 normally 3-4 rolls time to do max 2.5hrs not a bad rate.

Tony

[creighton foyle]

doug said it right , if you employ people and take on good contracts the money is there but guys think about it how many of you would pay any tradesman to work in your house on a day rate ? you would all be to frightened you would get ripped off and you would probably be right.
 I have been in the game a long time and i have not come across many domestic customers willing to have work done on a day rate nor have i come across many decorators willing to work on day rate (for domestic customers) . we all get the odd job where we can come out with £200 a day with luck and no complications but the reality is we all think we can work as fast at 50 as when we were 30 but we cant and as someone who is currently working as a decorator and a carpet cleaner i can tell you i come home a lot sooner , a lot happier , and with more money in my pocket when i do a days carpet cleaning than i do when i do a days painting.

[Elfyn]

Not best pleased with a P & D yesterday. Had a 2 bed rental property to do. New tenants wanted to move in before christmas so squeezed it in. There was paint spills all over every carpet and as I'd surveyed and priced before he did the work. It should have been a mornings work, but turned into the best part of a day.
Bah humbug! 

[Helen]

Not best pleased with a P & D yesterday. Had a 2 bed rental property to do. New tenants wanted to move in before christmas so squeezed it in. There was paint spills all over every carpet and as I'd surveyed and priced before he did the work. It should have been a mornings work, but turned into the best part of a day.
Bah humbug!  

Note to Elfyn.......
"price subject to condition as seen on Wed 12.4 2011(or whatever the date)"

Did you know there were P & D's going in before you?
If so, easily covered with "price and service does not include any paint spillages etc. which if not removed immediately may become permanent"
 

[Hilton]

Price to paper a feature wall around £155 normally 3-4 rolls time to do max 2.5hrs not a bad rate.

Tony

What a light weight, I would do that today in an hour and a bit.

Come to think of it £155 an hour, perhaps its not too bad after all, I might pick up the brushes again.

I was also trained in Rag Rollling and Marbeling by proper tradesmen not the if you can pyss you can paint brigade we have today.

[robert meldrum]

I suppose it's similar to C/C ...........I'm really surprised at the prices mentioned on here as they're are lower than cheap P and D's were charging 30 years ago but I suppose  Householders can buy loads of gadgets and sit in on mini seminars in B and Q then imagine they know " how to do " just about anything which must cream off a massive volume of Traditional Painters 's work.

As I type I'm realising that most on here have grown up in a totally different Work environment from me.

In my teens and twenties we still had an excellent Education System which supplied candidates for apprenticeships via Junior Secondary Schools and the system worked fine until idealistic Socialist Politicians decided it was not a fair system and EVERYONE should be able to go to University..............What followed has been well documented but the end result is that youngsters who were non academic but could have become HAPPY and WELL PAID in work that suited their abilities while the more academic types pursued the " Professions " Ironically in recent times the tradespeople's earnings have risen sharply ( at least they have around here ) and I know of a few who returned to working as Painters/Decorators and the quotes been privy to over the past 20 years equate to gross  earnings of around £400 per day.

In many cases they use the same trick as plumbers where they start a job and leave it after a couple of hours to go to another and possibly a third something we can't do in this industry.  

[Neil Williams]

In my teens and twenties we still had an excellent Education System which supplied candidates for apprenticeships via Junior Secondary Schools and the system worked fine until idealistic Socialist Politicians decided it was not a fair system and EVERYONE should be able to go to University..............What followed has been well documented but the end result is that youngsters who were non academic but could have become HAPPY and WELL PAID in work that suited their abilities while the more academic types pursued the " Professions "

You are correct in that. What it really boils down to is supply and demand, some years back the Queen struggled to find a plumber to be on the Royal payroll, why? because the wage was £60k and every plumber worth his salt was earning more than so none applied. what happened then was that every Tom, Dick & Harry thought I'll have some of that then and in a short time the market place was flooded with plumbers and the prices went down.
The same thing is happening with graduates. There was a time when only the select few went through uni and subsequently got the best jobs with the best wages, now everyone at 18 goes there as a right and comes out at 21 with masters degrees means the wages have gone down.
Of course on the plus side the manual labour market has benefited because no one wanted to 'work' for their living and prices went up.

[jasonl]

A masters degree take a lot more work than a basic one . A masters has become what a plain degree once was. My daughter can barely spell , and does not comprehend a 24 hour clock , yet is well on her way to completing a social work degree, its a mad system

[Neil Williams]

It's a system that politicians of all parties can't / won't address.
They know it's wrong but in order to keep the unemployment numbers down, the more who stay in education for as long as possible the better the figures show.
Perhaps the better way would be to show the number of people IN EMPLOYMENT not the other way.
For a so called intelligent group those coming out of university crack me up when they say they can't get a job because of the number applying for each job, clearly they can't understand supply and demand.

[derek west]

the weird thing about this P&D i was talking too was the fact that i was too embarassed to tell him how much i was getting paid for my 2 hours work. i seem to feel that out of all the services, cleaning is at the bottom of the ladder and yet i would guess that on the average (one man band operators)  we're the highest paid, my advice! shhhhhh lets keep it that way, no one will ever know

[Elfyn]

"Note to Elfyn.......
"price subject to condition as seen on Wed 12.4 2011(or whatever the date)"

Did you know there were P & D's going in before you?
If so, easily covered with "price and service does not include any paint spillages etc. which if not removed immediately may become permanent""

That would be my normal terms Helen BUT -
Unfortunately, This job was for a Rental Agency that I have, over about 10 years, done a lot of work for. The P&D they normally use is as good as gold - never have any spills. What I didn't know was that the property owner insisted on using his own P&D. I've kicked up a stink and said that I'm going to charge for the extra time spent, but as the Rental Agent is such a valued customer I probably won't.

[Paul Moss]

the weird thing about this P&D i was talking too was the fact that i was too embarassed to tell him how much i was getting paid for my 2 hours work. i seem to feel that out of all the services, cleaning is at the bottom of the ladder and yet i would guess that on the average (one man band operators)  we're the highest paid, my advice! shhhhhh lets keep it that way, no one will ever know

Your starting to get the point......................