[scud]

  I am obviously doing something wrong!

  But I fail to understand how you clean a window set in brickwork without catching the brickwork when yo clean the side frame.

  I clean approx 100 house a week, the majority have been on my books for a good while and no damage has been done, but I can wear out a vikan in 3 - 4 months and the gardiners brush just falls apart.

  I have since this discussion got to this point, gone out and looked at the brush, yes it is worn on the edges, but has also lost alot of bristles further in.

  I feel Alex's comments before he knew it was me were slightly mocking, I do have a genuine issue with these brushes (and do know of a couple of other local cleaners with the same problem), Gardiners replaced the first pair I had, I do not expect them to be replaced again, but similarly I will not be spending £40+ per brush again.

  I am not calling Gardiners as they provide first class products and service, but this brush is not up to what I need it for.

[Pope vader]

i am with scud a lot of my brushses are curved at the corners now

[Alex Gardiner]

Apologies  , the tone was not meant to be mocking, but just incredulous.

I honestly did not think it was possible for a brush to become that worn in such a short time until I had seen it (I was away on holiday when they were replaced). I thought, before the brushes came back, that it would have just been a couple of faulty bristle bunches, but was very surprised to see the wear.  Having used these myself, it must just be down to technique. As I said before I do not know what to recommend for you as an alternative, maybe someone else has an idea?

[Pope vader]

i have noticed on mine that the brushses are starting to bend in, and become frayed,  if you want i can drop it on for you to look at,  i dont want it replaced, as use it as spare any way till the fans come out

[clean]

i got the black dual trim, to me it uses too much water,  waiting for the fan jets to come out and see it i like it any more

How can a brush use too much water

becasue i am use to fans and this is pencils

Not the brush then but the jets  :

[Pope vader]

u got mail alex

[boshravie]

Hi Alex
As you know I am great fan of your products, but sorry to say this product in particular has fault in it, so please look in to it, because all brushed rub against brick wall, and they shouldn’t worn within one month of use like these.

Also all my brushed are from your company and non of them has been worn out like this one.

Best Regard
Bosh

[Pope vader]

how is he mocking his customers

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

So that was you   This is the trouble with screen names - I cannot always tell who you are.

I had a very close look at those returned brushes and the top corner on either side was worn away by at least 10mm. The only way this can happen is if the brush is regularly abraded against the side of masonry etc.. We have had the same brushes in use for 4-5 months now and have only very little wear on the stock edges. You can understand that if the abrasion is doing this to the solid stock material that the bristles will just not survive under the same abrasion.

I would have to agree with you that perhaps for your style of use, this design is not the most suitable. If a Vikan Sill is only lasting you 3-4 months then I do think that masonry abrasion must be a large factor in your brush use. I cannot think of another alternative for you, the Brodex Sill is virtually the same as the Vikan. The Aeriel brush is not really a Sill brush, but it does have a rock-hard stock and would probably erode slower than the masonry itself - you would need to be careful on plastic and painted wood though. The Doctor Squeegees Sill Saver is also another Vikan Clone. I do not think that there are any others on the market.

Mock your customer for the sake of your brush Alex! your use of insinuation is typical. It is the product and nothing else to blame, so I would say you are being incredulous to say anything else.

Constant equipment failure or maintenace shouldn't even come into it at this level.

If you knew anything about window cleaning brushes you would know the uPVC window frame ia an extremely tough and a very hard plastic that is made for external use and is also fit for use with security measures i.e. locks, so uPVC can and does take hard knocks very well, so a window cleaning brush should be suitable for what it will encounter when in use.

 

You're late Richard (owner of Tecbuk, for the sake of other readers)

This post was put up yesterday, you're normally stalking this board constantly, awaiting another chance to slate your favourite competitors!!

Now, what's that word?............................... oh yes, Predictable!!  

[Lee GLS]

I've been using the cill brush for a lot of first cleans, so it takes a beating and it still looks like new, I don't know what people are doing to it to wear it out in 3 weeks, you must be seriously heavy handed

[Pope vader]

which one you got lee

[dd]

Scud

I usually just brush the glass. If you brush the side of the frames I suppose you will rub against brickwork but as the sides are generally fairly clean I leave them.

On the sill brush the bristles splay beyond the stock so if the stock is rubbing brickwork I guess the outer bristles are as well.

I have tried a few Gardiners and Vikan brushes over the years and so far not had any wear issues.

My current brush of choice is the Vikan flocked sill which most people think is too heavy and I use a Gardiners sill brush if I have to work at some particularly awkward angles.

[boshravie]

I've been using the cill brush for a lot of first cleans, so it takes a beating and it still looks like new, I don't know what people are doing to it to wear it out in 3 weeks, you must be seriously heavy handed

Hi Lee

I don’t know if you wash with hot water or not, but we use  hot water and the white brisells on this cill brush doest last that long, and NO we are not heavy handling it.   We even have the black one, and that’s perfect no problem with the black Cill brush .

This is our experience any way.

[Lee GLS]

Bosh I don't use hot water, maybe that could be causing a problem, does it say anything on the site about using it with hot?

[Nameless Drudge]

 If you took a slow motion close up video of the action required to inflict the brush/bristles with the DAMAGE being shown and talked about on here then i guarantee you would adjust your technique.
 If you apply pressure to the brush to bend the bristles 90 degrees at the base and then shove the bloody thing up and down you will ruin your bristle formation.Hinges on the edges of patio doors have the effect of causing this bending at the base so you need to learn to back off the pressure applied as the brush reaches these.Get a brush in your hand and check this out.There is a small element of finesse required to use these lighter brushes which in turn makes the job easier as you develop a lighter touch and with that comes easier control and avoidance of scrubbing walls instead of windows and frames.

I`d just like to add that the teckbuk clown talks nonsense,i ditched his brush(red one) as it wouldn`t pass my personal risk assessment,the stock is an accident waiting to happen(too hard).The man is properly deluded to think any of his products are much cop or worth even half of what he charges.Because we are all apt to try new products on the market hoping to improve our working lives in what is still fledgling industry, technically speaking, then this parasite survives.

  

[pristine window cl]

I HAVE USED IONIC BRUSHES FOR 3 YRS AND CAN HONESTLY  SAY THAT THEY ARE BRILLIANT.NO PROBS EVER. I TRIED A VIKAN BRUSH AND TOOK IT STRAIGHT BACK USELESS. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE BRISTLES AND SHAPE OF BRUSH HEAD, I LAUGH ALL THE TIME AT OTHERS IN MY AREA USING THE WRONG BRUSH HEADS AND THEY WONDER WHY THE GLASS IS NOT CLEAN SPOTTY, RUNS, CORNERS NOT CLEAN IT IS ALL ABOUT YOUR BRUSH HEADS. VIKAN BRUSHES ARE ONLY FIT FOR CLADDING ETC NOT GLASS,               SHAPE SIZE BRISTLES QUALITY    AND THERE NOT EXPENSIVE
     

      ALAN

[boshravie]

Bosh I don't use hot water, maybe that could be causing a problem, does it say anything on the site about using it with hot?

Hi Lee
yes perhaps ,But that I know of 

[boshravie]

This has made me think, if Alex Gardinar do a video of these brushes in Action, this would explain a lot questions, wouldn’t you guys agree?

[Erithwc]

wax on wax off brush up brush down job done  

[Pope vader]

could it be that people have bought the wrong one, i bought the soft one and its is no good for the way i clean, i am too heavy on the windows and need the stiff brush version