[Simon Gerrard]

I think the NCCA Carnival Day is a really good idea and a positive move on their part.

Simon

[derek west]

as micheal jackson once sang, ill be thereeeeeeee i'll be thereeeee, oooh dejavu.

[Billy Russell]

Come on Del!!! Lets not start that rubbish again,

As in the great words of the supremes............Stop, in the name of love!!!!!!!!! 

[happy mondays]

No dont do cheap digs Derek, if I am honest, which I am   I had noticed you promote that you have passed the exam and find it frustrating as a member that your web design company put a link on your site that could implie to a potential customer that you are associated with this association because you have passed the exam. Even though in some peoples eyes, means nothing at all really   Just interested to know if it means nothing to your customers who have never heard of them, your logic in promoting the ncca. Imo the small cost of membership is very reasonable for what you can get from it.
  

like i said paul, i paid good money (to the ncca, money in there bank) for a certificate, and people know what a certificate means so i'd be mad not to promote it, and in a way i'm helping the ncca get recognised. i'm not a member and don't promote that so don't see the problem. ive done 2 courses with the ncca so ive paid a lot to them. personally i think your grief should be with people that have not paid any money into the ncca kitty and still mention there name on trhere website.
i'm not doing anything wrong. ive paid my money, got a certificate and i'm marketing that certificate to my customers.

anyway, join TACCA, its free
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=168506547806

  I'll give that one a miss eh, 30 members and how many of them are carpet cleaners 2, 3 or 4 lol, but good luck with it anyway!

I could think like you and save myself a couple of hudred £'s each year, not use the logo and advertise that I have a certificate from passing an exam, and put a link on a website to the ncca, most customers would read the info on the site and assume that I was associated with it, at the end of the day you are not doing the ncca any favours, why not just pay the small fee and join? the price of membership is equal to a family meal or a service on your car.  I'm not just having a go at you, but if everyone did as you and others do with the "i have passed this test" "heres a link to the website" the ncca would be gone. Perhaps the ncca should have a bit of a re-think on what is required to be a member, this may then stop the I have done nothing wrong crowd that are out to save a few quid.



 

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I can remember speaking to Derek Bolton about advertsing 'trained bt the NCCA' and he said it was a loop hole that the NCCA had tried unsuccessfully tried to close.

Shaun

[clinton]

so it still stands then that loophole...

[derek west]

paul
are you honestly saying that in your eyes, i am not allowed to tell anyone who i was trained by.


seriously!!!!

[happy mondays]

I can remember speaking to Derek Bolton about advertsing 'trained bt the NCCA' and he said it was a loop hole that the NCCA had tried unsuccessfully tried to close.

Shaun

Then maybe they do need a re-think, scrap the exam, which imo means nothing at all, and make any one that joins follow a code of practice, this would then make it more desirable for a cc to join.

My gripe with this thread is that alot of carpet cleaners moan about them because

"its a waste of money, they wont get you any work"  

Its not about them getting you more work, you do this yourself and the ncca is just a tool to help you do it, the more people that join can only make the customers more aware of who they pay to clean for them, who should always do the best job possible for the price paid.  This would do alot for this industry.

[derek west]

No dont do cheap digs Derek, if I am honest, which I am   I had noticed you promote that you have passed the exam and find it frustrating as a member that your web design company put a link on your site that could implie to a potential customer that you are associated with this association because you have passed the exam. Even though in some peoples eyes, means nothing at all really   Just interested to know if it means nothing to your customers who have never heard of them, your logic in promoting the ncca. Imo the small cost of membership is very reasonable for what you can get from it.
  

like i said paul, i paid good money (to the ncca, money in there bank) for a certificate, and people know what a certificate means so i'd be mad not to promote it, and in a way i'm helping the ncca get recognised. i'm not a member and don't promote that so don't see the problem. ive done 2 courses with the ncca so ive paid a lot to them. personally i think your grief should be with people that have not paid any money into the ncca kitty and still mention there name on trhere website.
i'm not doing anything wrong. ive paid my money, got a certificate and i'm marketing that certificate to my customers.

anyway, join TACCA, its free
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=168506547806

  I'll give that one a miss eh, 30 members and how many of them are carpet cleaners 2, 3 or 4 lol, but good luck with it anyway!

I could think like you and save myself a couple of hudred £'s each year, not use the logo and advertise that I have a certificate from passing an exam, and put a link on a website to the ncca, most customers would read the info on the site and assume that I was associated with it, at the end of the day you are not doing the ncca any favours, why not just pay the small fee and join? the price of membership is equal to a family meal or a service on your car.  I'm not just having a go at you, but if everyone did as you and others do with the "i have passed this test" "heres a link to the website" the ncca would be gone. Perhaps the ncca should have a bit of a re-think on what is required to be a member, this may then stop the I have done nothing wrong crowd that are out to save a few quid.



 

31 now and growing strong

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=168506547806

[happy mondays]

paul
are you honestly saying that in your eyes, i am not allowed to tell anyone who i was trained by.


seriously!!!!

Trained   are you having a laugh Derek, I could send my youngest Daughter on the course and she would pass it, I have morals and this is my gripe, get your hand in your pocket and join the ncca, you and no doubt many others are using them to your advantage for the price of a training course.  

[happy mondays]

No dont do cheap digs Derek, if I am honest, which I am   I had noticed you promote that you have passed the exam and find it frustrating as a member that your web design company put a link on your site that could implie to a potential customer that you are associated with this association because you have passed the exam. Even though in some peoples eyes, means nothing at all really   Just interested to know if it means nothing to your customers who have never heard of them, your logic in promoting the ncca. Imo the small cost of membership is very reasonable for what you can get from it.
  

like i said paul, i paid good money (to the ncca, money in there bank) for a certificate, and people know what a certificate means so i'd be mad not to promote it, and in a way i'm helping the ncca get recognised. i'm not a member and don't promote that so don't see the problem. ive done 2 courses with the ncca so ive paid a lot to them. personally i think your grief should be with people that have not paid any money into the ncca kitty and still mention there name on trhere website.
i'm not doing anything wrong. ive paid my money, got a certificate and i'm marketing that certificate to my customers.

anyway, join TACCA, its free
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=168506547806

  I'll give that one a miss eh, 30 members and how many of them are carpet cleaners 2, 3 or 4 lol, but good luck with it anyway!

I could think like you and save myself a couple of hudred £'s each year, not use the logo and advertise that I have a certificate from passing an exam, and put a link on a website to the ncca, most customers would read the info on the site and assume that I was associated with it, at the end of the day you are not doing the ncca any favours, why not just pay the small fee and join? the price of membership is equal to a family meal or a service on your car.  I'm not just having a go at you, but if everyone did as you and others do with the "i have passed this test" "heres a link to the website" the ncca would be gone. Perhaps the ncca should have a bit of a re-think on what is required to be a member, this may then stop the I have done nothing wrong crowd that are out to save a few quid.



 

31 now and growing strong

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=168506547806

Derek, well done, you will maybe reach your goal one day and be able to afford the lifestyle you aspire, but believe this, you wont make it by trying to take the mick out of me, like I have said, stop taking the p##s out of the ncca join and pay up 

[derek west]

no thanks, i like VFM.

anyway lets agree to disagree, you think i'm cheating the system and i think your throwing your money away unless your like billy who is gonna try and mix things up a bit from the inside. if i thought they would listen to my ideas i may consider joining but even if they did listen, they'd just say its not financially viable etc...etc... so i can't see me joining

i'll stick to me TACCA..

anyone else joining, admins are up for grabs.

anyways, i'm off to bed, see ya next sat if your going.

[Ian Gourlay]

I yhought NCCA had clamped down on people using trained by

I heard that at Carpex about 6 years ago.

Anyway the Compliance Director if he still is lives 10 miles down the road

[Steve Chapman]

How possibly can the ncca take money of people and train them , give them a certificate and then say they can't tell anyone, that's just nonsense,

That would never stand up in court surely

Steve

[Simon Gerrard]

Steve,

You just have to be careful about how you say it. Attended an NCCA training course and passed the exam  is one thing, but trained by the NCCA is quite another, as training encompasses so much more than just attending a course.

Simon

[Neil Williams]

How possibly can the ncca take money of people and train them , give them a certificate and then say they can't tell anyone, that's just nonsense,

Not forgetting you can't become a member of NCCA unless you've done the course, and passed the exam based on that course.
That alone means you are NCCA trained no matter how they might look at it.

Jeez and they wonder why most of us laugh at them.
And no, I don't want to join, to get onto the top table and then change things. These are basics that the current people at the top must surely be able to see that are wrong.

[Simon Gerrard]

The NCCA, bless em, will never change and if they do it will be very slowly, too slow for those who what to see forward movement in our industry.
The main gripe against the NCCA is it's lack of public awareness, so the the ultimate aim of a 21st century organisation must be to advertise carpet cleaning on national television. Now there's public awareness for you and if that were to happen the founders of that organisation would be sainted.
The business model to do this does exist and it is nowhere near as complex as you might think. 

Simon

[derek west]

so lets do it then.

[Simon Gerrard]

Hi Derek,

I love your enthusiasm.
The problem with the existing organisations and others that never got off the ground was that they need the continued support of its members to finance it and keep it alive. The members though, would only stay if they were getting something tangible in return (work), something that no fledgling organisation can deliver in the early years, so the members leave and the organisation cannot build up a head of steam. And so with no secure and ongoing finance, sufficient merely for it to remain in existence, let alone achieve the lofty goals of its founders these new organisations quickly flounder.
What we need is a BIG idea

Simon

[derek west]

what about a shareholder scheme for its members.