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spongebob

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Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2011, 08:49:59 pm »
Justin.
Although the pictures aren't brilliant I don't think a brush could have done that. The scratches look too straight and parallel. As the brush was moved left to right the pressure would have altered yet the scratch looks consistent. I think the scratches were in the cill to start with . Don't forget this stuff starts life in 6m lengths and is dragged around everywhere. The fitters would have noticed it when the plastic came off at the end of fitting and cleaned the scratches with all sorts. As soon as you brought dirt down off the window it sat in the groove. The customer then thinks you did it.
Andy

davids3511

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Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2011, 09:01:03 pm »
Justin.
Although the pictures aren't brilliant I don't think a brush could have done that. The scratches look too straight and parallel. As the brush was moved left to right the pressure would have altered yet the scratch looks consistent. I think the scratches were in the cill to start with . Don't forget this stuff starts life in 6m lengths and is dragged around everywhere. The fitters would have noticed it when the plastic came off at the end of fitting and cleaned the scratches with all sorts. As soon as you brought dirt down off the window it sat in the groove. The customer then thinks you did it.
Andy
I second this. The scratched look too uniform to me. I have scratched a few sills and none looked like that. I have seen sills with scratches like that but I hadn't caused them.

luther1

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Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2011, 09:08:32 pm »
Am i missing something or isn't it the black plastic from the brush stock leaving a mark on the sill,as opposed to scratching it? A bit like running a crayon along it.

Pureclean Essex Services

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Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2011, 09:48:57 pm »
I had a call from a custy when i changed over to wfp,he was ok about it said the sills were scratched  ???,& would i come & have a look (white upvc frames),turned up,had a look and made arrangements to return & clean them,used a solvent based upvc cleaner,they came up a treat,changed brush heads from the brodex to vikan with the rubber edge,had no further complaints  ;D.

Brian.

David Kent @ KentKleen

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Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2011, 10:47:48 pm »
Luther i think your right mate. We have had problems with a brodex stock marking (like a crayon) sills.
Astonish and elbow grease sorts it out!! 

mark dew

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Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2011, 11:02:48 pm »
Am i missing something or isn't it the black plastic from the brush stock leaving a mark on the sill,as opposed to scratching it? A bit like running a crayon along it.

Yeah i reckon this is the most likely thing. Is your brush stock black by any chance?
Any upvc cleaner from anywhere will take those marks away.

C-N-C

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Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2011, 03:15:09 pm »
Hi justin.
to be absolutly honest I have recovered cills a lot worse then those with the cream cleaner.
looks like the brush stock has draged across them as they are realy parralel. if it had been some big dirt i would have expected them to be all over the place.
yet they could also be draw marks from when the cills are made and extruded through the die, over time (not long) they become prominent as they trap dirt. you get a lot of this with cheap crapy upvc.

but honest I would give them the cream and a polish with some stockinet or microfibre after then just apolojise to cousty and explane you have looked into what might have happened and rest asured you will do everything in your power to avoid this incident happening again.
good old saying " bullpoop baffles brains"

as for the jets everyone seems to have this fan or jet? 1mm or 2mm sort of thinking. so past few weeks been playing (as i do ) i now have a brush with 6 times the rinsing power of a brush with 1 mm jets and uses less water than a brush with 2 mm jets yet still only has two jets fitted  :P

but if im to get into this im going to have to start a new thred and look into how to put pics up on here

Hiya chris mate ;)
Makes total sense what you are saying mate.....iv read with great intrest...we have only cleaned this house a few times man......
Could be like you say,the die waring thin etc....
You know what your talking about chris mate as i will explain what window company says on bottom of post bud....
Thank you for ya time chris mate ;)
& when iv sorted this problem,im a bit intrested in all them jets ya got for a good rinse man ;)

Hiya ste mate ;)
That does sound a bit iffy man...carnt belive some people tyr to have the window cleaner over bud :-\
I mean its not like most ov us drive brand new cars & make thousands a week man :'(
Not sure bout a stone etc....it seems strange ste....when i checked 1 window on the side top (small frosted glass window) that never had a mark on....HMMM!!!!
thank you for ya post bud ;)

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My brush head seams okay man....might b a couple ov sharp bits ere n there,but i wouldnt ov thought it be enough to cause damage mate
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I can't be the only one who is dying to know what this means?

Hiya mike......it means,my brush head (stock) whatever ya want to call it,is hard plastic,now when ya scrape it along brickwork,by mistake,it can cause a couple of pointed,well a not so smooth surface.....hence,i thought that could ov scrached sills.....
Know what i mean now bud ??  ;)

Hiya andy mate ;)

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Justin.
Although the pictures aren't brilliant I don't think a brush could have done that. The scratches look too straight and parallel. As the brush was moved left to right the pressure would have altered yet the scratch looks consistent. I think the scratches were in the cill to start with . Don't forget this stuff starts life in 6m lengths and is dragged around everywhere. The fitters would have noticed it when the plastic came off at the end of fitting and cleaned the scratches with all sorts. As soon as you brought dirt down off the window it sat in the groove. The customer then thinks you did it.
Andy

I think your right what you are saying,but its convincing customer that mate....i do appreciate your post man......& these scraches are looking more like someone eleses fault the more posts i read :)
Thank you mate ;)

Thanks david mate ;)
Read ya post bud......and its starting to look like someone done them not us.... ;)


Hiya luther ;)

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Am i missing something or isn't it the black plastic from the brush stock leaving a mark on the sill,as opposed to scratching it? A bit like running a crayon along it.
Yeah...iv scrached my own sills man & its just like a crayon....black lines what would rub off with a solution.....not deep scraches like in customers... ;)

Hiya brian...
Thanks for that mate....
I use to use viking man,with the rubber edge,but went to brodex for the alloy poles as fibreglass were only lasting couple months......
Thats a option tho bud ;)

Hiya kentkleen ;)
Yeah some ov them are black lines what would come off,but theres some deepish scraches man.....
Im not sure A solvent will remove it man...hope so :D

Hiya mark ;)
Yeah mate...its black,but some of the scraches are deepish man....
im starting to think.......my brush would not scrach the sills only mark them with black lines etc...... 8)

Thank you mate.....

Right guy's....big"THANK YOU" for all your posts & taking the time out to try and help me out.....
Realy appreciate it fella's.......
YA ALL SOUND ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Well i phoned customer yesterday evening to see if window company had called....
He thanked me for phoneing him to see if all was well :)
He told me that they had been....and they had gave him a solution to try & clean the sills up,they also told customer it looks like muck has caused the scraches,not our brush,but maybee our brush was causing it......so custy said if scraches dont come out,it will be a case of new sills..... :o
customer told me that he gunna give it a clean with chemical from window fitter,have a word with his wife to see what they are going to do....he was talking a lot better than yesterday.....so i need to speak to company to find out exactley what was said,as this customer has not phoned me back yet......hope its good news ;D

I will Keep ya all informed on what is happening & thank you all so much for your time

YA ALL SOUND  ;)

Take care & kindest regards
Justin ;)










Andrew44

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Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2011, 10:08:39 pm »
So what was the outcome?  Customer happy?

C-N-C

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Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2011, 11:03:38 pm »
Hiya andrew mate ;)
I havent forgot to post the outcome mate ;)

The guy(customer) phoned me the other day & said he will leave it until after the hollidays.....
& then he wants me to go with what the window fitter said.....(i havent spoke to window fitter yet,hes gone to florida) sand them down with fine sand paper,maybee wet n dry stuff....
So he askes me to sort it......well i told him that i have pressed my bush head on sills and rubbed them & tried to scrach them & they just leaving,like all the guys on ere said,like crayon marks :o.....
He wasnt intrested.....he said "i havent had this problem with any other window cleaner" ::)

Now what makes me think andrew,is his mate who lives over the road,who reccomened him has never said we have scrached his sills...HMMMMMMM!!!!!
And he must ov bin straight over there telling him to check his sills,do ya think!
Now the customer wants to suspend all cleans until his problem with scrached sills resolved....sounds like a cancel to me 8)
But like i say andrew....his mate has not said a word & paid yesterday for the clean  ;)
 1 window sill on the customer whos complained is sound...not a mark on it....a upstairs little bathroom 1.....seems strange to me man,all the rest are scrached apart from 1..... 8)

Anyway sorry to go on a bit dude,but ya did ask..... ;D...lol

Yeah,so ill let ya know more when he phones me back or i see the window fitter & show him my brush etc....& i will also get onto brodex & tell them the situation....they might have a letter or summit kickin about,saying the brush heads WILL NOW scrach window sills......

I will post when i know more bud,probaly monday or tuesday andrew.......

You have a good weekend mate & hope ya enjoy the wedding  ::)
Theres no getting away from it man ;D

Take care bud & kind regards
Justin ;)

Tom White

Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2011, 11:38:36 pm »
So what was the outcome?  Customer happy?

The type of person who'd get a bee in their bonnet about some low level scratched sills will never be happy. 

I find it surprising that it's even an issue. ???

Andrew44

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Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2011, 11:05:25 am »
Cheers justin.  I have had this issue before so was interested in the solution and outcome.

cheers

gordonswindows

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Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2011, 09:30:04 pm »
Damn, sorry I thought you meant help in how to spell

You missed the "t"
Don't Give Up
@askforthemoney

bobby p

Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2011, 10:50:13 pm »
last year i was wiping (with a sill cloth) brand new sills on a curved bay window and on each change of direction of the sill i left a yellowey mark . i came to conclusion that the sills are factory welded and the weld -join is buffed down smooth in the factory but the join is  porous  that marks as soon as you wipe a dirty rag over it.    i also think trying to polish out any mark with fine sandpaper/wet and dry paper would mark  very badly  

 i would be interested to know how they buff the joins in the factory

VSP Home Care

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Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2011, 02:26:35 pm »
An interesting thread chaps.  When I was in Glazing it was all Ali and scratches regularly happened, Jif was the only answer then.  As someone pointed out, once you've scrubbed all the cack off then the original scratch appears....

Poxy situation to be in, but it's good to see your efforts to resolve it mate and I commend you for it.  If no one else on your round has this problem then I'd be very suspect of this guy.  Having said that if I was in his position I'd be super angry, question is who with.

Personally I'd go with the fitters but from your customers point of view he's looking at you.  Personally I'd try to point out that the other windows are fine and that it's a little strange that these up stairs frames are marked.  If he's reasonable I'd offer to try and repair the damage caused or rather exposed by your service, if he's having none of it then I'd advise him to seek legal advice and leave it at that.

Proper poop situation for you both really.

Good Luck  :)

dai

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Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2011, 06:25:05 pm »
If only the upstairs are marked I would be more inclined to accept that it was my fault.
We clean the downstairs sills at a different angle, so the brush stock is not in contact with the sill.
I would never have believed that aluminium would scratch glass, until I destroyed a first floor french door with my aluminium angle adapter.

C-N-C

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Re: REALY NEED HELP HERE GUYS....scrached sills
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2011, 10:46:31 pm »
Hiya guys ;)
Sorry i never replyed,but moved hone & opened a buisness unit...onwards and upwards.... ;D
Guuna come back & reply to ya all as ya took the time out to post....i will call back as computers in building just getting sorted etc.....busy....busy....busy.... ::)

Thank you all guy's.....
Just had a quick flick through post's.....got 366 e mails...PHEW!!!! ::)

this bin going on for a while.....i have bin myself to get up ladder & clean sills with chemical..........NOT US GUYS.... ::)
100%....i think after cleaning ALL sills & conservatory sills ,being close & personal to them....they were already there.....
My quick answer is-(have to b quick got a guy ere wanting to upgrade systems)
Scraches always there....we clean all windows with brush.....sometimes ya get a line ov muck on the edge ov ya sills when ya done......i think its muck settling into scraches as a trad man will cloth the sills & leave them dry....we leave them wet.....
But ya right he 1 ov the3m customers.....summit elese will come up soon,i can c him now,never happy...LOL....
Anyway we still cleaning his windows again......
Get bk to ya all when new premisis sorted & thank you so much guy's.....
Take care & kind regards

Justin ;)
www.clean-n-clearwindows.co.uk