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jason1

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gutter vac
« on: March 26, 2011, 02:13:38 am »
Hi guys been wfp for only couple of weeks but now getting asked alot to do gutters would someone be able to tell me would a 1400 watt gutter vac with poles be powerfull enough on domestics as ive seen them on the gutter cleaning systems website for £320 plus vat as others ive seen go up to about a grand and im on a bit of a budget at the moment with buying my wfp equipment thanks jay

Ian101

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2011, 10:03:30 am »
Hi Jason ... been looking into one of these myself but for winter time .. think u need a genny as well ... quickly looking into it a few weeks back about £1200 seems what u need to spend to get it all sorted ... might be wrong so looking to be educated (saves me researching it later in year  ;) )

Chris Cottrell

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2011, 05:15:52 pm »
I doubt that 1400w would be of any use at all I would go with a minimum of 3000w (triple 1000w machine) on the easy jobs I usualy have 2 x 1000w motors working but quite often you need that extra grunt just for that little awkward bit

Smudger

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2011, 05:33:36 pm »
I agree with Chris, even on the simplest of jobs we now just whack on all 3 motors, saves time and hassle.

As with most things, you get what you pay for, try to save up a little extra to get a top vac then you won't be
restricted in what work you take on & could benefit from getting work that others with cheap vac's cant clear.

pS - we are as busy gutter clearing now as we were in sept/Oct.

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

RO-Sheen

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2011, 06:21:30 pm »
Chris and Smudger..........

How high will a triple 1000w machine work sufficently?

Smudger - you say 'you get what you pay for'. Would you recommend I should buy?

Cheers guys
Formerly known as GARGAAX

Nick Day

Re: gutter vac
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2011, 09:00:30 pm »
Hello,

 We are from Gutter Cleaning Systems, we've been developing these kits now for over a year. We've tried all the existing kits  on the way to developing our kits on the market today. We've found that the 1400 watts to be more than sufficient on the jobs that we have done, to give you an idea in the last 6 months we've turned over £19,637 just gutter cleaning, we don't do domestic work and we only work around Norfolk. All this work was done with the 1400 watt system.

 The wattage of the machine actually is irrelevant, it's all down to the airflow rate . We developed and patented our own suction heads we have maximised airflow from the vacuum entrance to the head.We usually work up to 30 feet (a modern 4 storey building) with the 1400 watt systems and to be honest over that height there is usually nothing in the gutters anyway. The video on our website shows the 1400 watt system in action.

Any questions just let us know and we'll do our best to answer them. If any of you can get to just North of Norwich we can give you a full demonstration of the kit in action

David lyddon

Re: gutter vac
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2011, 09:07:03 pm »
ER ladder& trowell,how simple,or carry a dyson up the ladder,get the custie to plug u in PLEASEEEEE.

RO-Sheen

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2011, 09:27:15 pm »
Hello,

 We are from Gutter Cleaning Systems, we've been developing these kits now for over a year. We've tried all the existing kits  on the way to developing our kits on the market today. We've found that the 1400 watts to be more than sufficient on the jobs that we have done, to give you an idea in the last 6 months we've turned over £19,637 just gutter cleaning, we don't do domestic work and we only work around Norfolk. All this work was done with the 1400 watt system.

 The wattage of the machine actually is irrelevant, it's all down to the airflow rate . We developed and patented our own suction heads we have maximised airflow from the vacuum entrance to the head.We usually work up to 30 feet (a modern 4 storey building) with the 1400 watt systems and to be honest over that height there is usually nothing in the gutters anyway. The video on our website shows the 1400 watt system in action.

Any questions just let us know and we'll do our best to answer them. If any of you can get to just North of Norwich we can give you a full demonstration of the kit in action

Hi Nick - Have you got a website?
Formerly known as GARGAAX

jason1

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2011, 02:10:10 am »
Thanks for replies guys with being a newbie minds all over the place but i think ill just do it with ladders then when i can affordd  to will buy the gear,

this site is sound you guys are sound with giving us newbies good advice RESPECT TO YOU

Re: gutter vac
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2011, 01:53:17 pm »
We've tried all the existing kits

All of them?  Please list the ones you've 'tried'.

Smudger

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2011, 04:01:17 pm »
i can only reccomend what we use and thats the Omnivac - it has never let us down and the ali poles/suction end agitate and pull out everything we have come across even on 3 & 4 storey gutters.


Nick - i noticed that you say it's not the power but airflow - so why are you raking out weeds ( and at low levels at that ) and not sucking them out ? - the Omnivac would have simply pulled that straight out and most of it down into the vac.

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

gutterman

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2011, 04:23:30 pm »
 I can only endorse the previous post - omnivac system camera etc has provided me with the means to clear some of the most difficult blockages - gutter cleaning currently takes up about 75% of my time having landed a good contract.

regards
Billy

STEVE-UK

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2011, 05:49:39 pm »
Hello,

 We are from Gutter Cleaning Systems, we've been developing these kits now for over a year. We've tried all the existing kits  on the way to developing our kits on the market today. We've found that the 1400 watts to be more than sufficient on the jobs that we have done, to give you an idea in the last 6 months we've turned over £19,637 just gutter cleaning, we don't do domestic work and we only work around Norfolk. All this work was done with the 1400 watt system.

 The wattage of the machine actually is irrelevant, it's all down to the airflow rate . We developed and patented our own suction heads we have maximised airflow from the vacuum entrance to the head.We usually work up to 30 feet (a modern 4 storey building) with the 1400 watt systems and to be honest over that height there is usually nothing in the gutters anyway. The video on our website shows the 1400 watt system in action.

Any questions just let us know and we'll do our best to answer them. If any of you can get to just North of Norwich we can give you a full demonstration of the kit in action

looking at the video on your website the vacuum used didnt seem to have much power considering it was trying to vac up loose leaves and imo would take longer to carry out a gutter clean than our current omnivac system, the omnivac also has enough power to clear most downpipes and im guessing this would struggle even at low level

CLEANCARE WC

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2011, 07:29:15 pm »
I thought that it looked like it was  struggling to suck loose dry leaves I have ET Vac and it has coped with everything i have come across with all 3 motors running sometimes 2000w just isnt enough...1400w vac i dont think so. would of got an omni if i had the money tho. an extra 1200 watts over mine and mine has 2 and a half times the power of the one in the link!
WE CLEAN BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT WITH WATER FED POLE WHEN WORKING AT HEIGHT.

Rogue Trader

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2011, 07:52:33 pm »
If you are just cleaning domestic gutters then DONT BOTHER with a gutter vac - honesly , i have an omnivac and yes it is a good bit of kit for 3rd floor and commercial gutters but i hardly ever use it for the domestic stuff , you can whip up and down the ladder quicker than you can set it up! dont believe the hype if you are mainly domestic  , just get an extendable unger pole and a gutter scoop from cleantech and you are sorted. ;)

Smudger

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2011, 08:07:19 pm »
Matt3 - no hype using gutter vac

the actual point in having one is to stay SAFELY on the ground!

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Nick Day

Re: gutter vac
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2011, 08:40:34 pm »
Hello,

I never said that one system is better than another, I don't doubt that the Omni Vac is a good system. However when we had the Omnipoles we had major issues with the poles jamming and no matter how clean you kept them they would still jam within 20 minutes of them being cleaned!

I think that many of you are missing the whole point here, our 25 ft system with a generator and camera costs £895.00 including VAT meanwhile an Omni System to reach the same height costs £3018.00 including VAT.

 For the sake of occasionally using the weed hook you are saving £2153.00.

 Also our systems are far cheaper to operate, the generator to operate an Omni system costs £3.02 an hour in fuel, the generator for our system costs £1.12 an hour to operate.

That equates to £57.00 per week based on 6 hours per day, 5 days per week, extra to run the Omni system at current fuel prices.

With the current economic climate there are many tradesmen looking to add gutter cleaning to their portfolio of services being offered.

Our prices allow for a far better entry price than previously available.

We clean for large private schools, housing associations and old people homes to name a few. Many times we have to access small gardens and go through buildings to access courtyards. With our vacs we can simply carry them through a building or down an alleyway, whereas a large vacuum cleaner would simply be impossible to get into these spaces.

Some of you have commented on the video sucking up the leaves, well you should know from experience that sucking up dry leaves is one of the hardest things to do without blockages, that's why we used that video. Give us wet leaves and moss anyday and we would have been done in less than half that time!

You have purchased your  Omni systems and are obviously very happy with them, but we feel that our kits offer a great opportunity to many more people to enter the lucrative gutter cleaning market.

It also should be remembered that our kits have been assembled by professional gutter cleaners and we are more than happy to offer free demonstrations.

Smudger

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2011, 09:15:43 pm »
Nick - you go it son! no harm in promoting yourself and your goods! although i think the mods may be
asking you to stump up some dosh for the advertising.

we can all play with figures you may be able to run at £1.12 ph but i reckon the Omnivac could clear those leaves twice if not 3 times as quick therefore i have generated three times the income for the £2 difference !

it's no difference with wfp's - a glassfibre 25ft can be as little as £120 and does the job - buy a SLX25 at £380 and you can work all day with it and quicker and it will last longer.

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Nick Day

Re: gutter vac
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2011, 09:50:37 pm »
Hello,

Facts are facts, it's only words you can play with.

Somebody on this forum mentioned our kits, we just responded.

We are more than pleased to give any demonstrations.




cleaners are us

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2011, 09:59:07 pm »
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Also our systems are far cheaper to operate, the generator to operate an Omni system costs £3.02 an hour in fuel, the generator for our system costs £1.12 an hour to operate.

you are joking my generator takes 5.00 to fill and gets 4 hours working time so your stats are not right :P