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bobby p

Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2011, 11:48:52 pm »
way i see it,theres no evidence they are fiddlers-its just  2 newbies have leafletted  on Vinces turf and they look kitted out properly,a threat perhaps.  im surprised hes took the trub to photo them and  putting pen to paper to her majesty seems very  paranoid behaviour


christopher b

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Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2011, 02:06:34 am »
if it was about the girl yes id go to them and let them, know
if it was about naibours car then yes, i would hope they would do the same for me.

there is no line, its all about diferent peoples perception. if i was cold hearted then the guy trying to feed his kids I would drop him in it, but in my eyes he is only trying to help his kids. the inocent he is taking the risk not for himself.
the guy with the two houses and big hollidays on the state thats greed

Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2011, 09:00:39 am »
As I have said I believe all should pay taxes. The problem is Vince has absolutely no proof of o a crime been committed. The only thing he has that newbies have been on his patch and leafleting and new outfits working in his area. We all have to live with new compaction in our areas and we were all newbie as at some stage.   By grassing on them to the tax man is trying to use state power to eliminate his competition which intern is wasting our taxes. There is no difference between a small minded windy chasing a new fellow of his patch and what Vince is doing. Vince has not got the guts to face up to new windies in his area and compete with them.
Get the motive rite and you will get the act rite. Sorry Vince live with the can of worms and stop been petty.
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Londoner

Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2011, 12:41:24 pm »
Sorry Vince live with the can of worms and stop been petty.

Thats alright, you don't need to say sorry, but its not just window cleaners is it? Its the whole benefits culture that I object to and it does offend me. Don't go thinking these people work cheap either and undercut, they don't. Its the fact they think they are so clever that makes me want to pull the rug out from under them.

When I was taxi driving it was worse, one guy boasting he had never paid a penny tax in one breath and saying how he was taking his family to Cyprus for a month in the next.

SteveAllan

Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2011, 03:28:11 pm »
HMRC, wtf, very sad. Concentrate on your own affairs.

Martin-Swinscoe

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Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2011, 10:21:52 pm »
Vince,
just because you haven't seen them before how do you know that they arn't legit?
and on the other foot how do they know that you are not legit either????????????

mark dew

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Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2011, 11:26:27 pm »
get a life you grasssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.........................

Wow, you've hurt me now.  Rather a "grass" than a thief any day.

Why? At least there is honour amongst thieves.  ;D

David Kent @ KentKleen

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Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2011, 11:39:15 pm »
And I thought everyone on here was paying there way!!!! I think vince has got a few worried! Lets all put our trading names on here. Oh sorry some have! some just use nicknames with no area/address on there profile. guess some may be fiddlers!! but i might be wrong! IMO  ;) Am i having a go or not?  ???

SteveAllan

Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #48 on: March 28, 2011, 12:26:06 am »
Yeah right, next you will be sayin all cash through books, bs of the highest order.

Sapphire Window Cleaning

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Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #49 on: March 28, 2011, 02:15:55 am »
Sorry Vince live with the can of worms and stop been petty.

Thats alright, you don't need to say sorry, but its not just window cleaners is it? Its the whole benefits culture that I object to and it does offend me. Don't go thinking these people work cheap either and undercut, they don't. Its the fact they think they are so clever that makes me want to pull the rug out from under them.

When I was taxi driving it was worse, one guy boasting he had never paid a penny tax in one breath and saying how he was taking his family to Cyprus for a month in the next.


I am pretty sure if he has gone out and spent thousands on a van, system and leaflets he would be on benefits.
The benefit cheats are most likely driving around in a car, with a set of ladders on top and drying their scrims on the car heater lol.

We only have ourselves to blame with the amount of newbies starting up, guys on here bragging and B.S.ing about how much they earn, hmmm £50-£60 per hour sounds extremely good to someone thinking about starting up.


Matt
Reaching parts traditional window cleaners can not reach.

Paul Coleman

Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2011, 07:32:13 am »
I think you are just plain wrong to do this Vince.  I'm not going to get judgmental or on my high horse about it because I suppose you have reasons for your views as I do mine.
If you had reasonable cause to suspect that they are on the fiddle then I suppose your actions might be justifiable.  Otherwise - not.
What they are doing is no different to you wanting more work and leafletting outside your normal catchment area.
The "nothing to hide so nothing to fear" scenario doesn't wash with me either.  IMO it's just not on for the first assumption to be that any business (W/c or not) is on the fiddle because they are dropping leaflets.
Like you I am an honest tax payer. I fiddle nothing.  That's not me taking moral high ground though.  I very much dislike some of the things that my tax money is spent on.  However, I live in a society that will usually sustain someone with food water and shelter if they fall upon hard times through no fault of their own.  One day that someone could be me (and has been on a couple of brief occasions).  It's unfortunate that so many take advantage of such a system but it's difficult to weed them out without penalising the genuine.
However (again IMO), this has nothing to do with informing on what are probably legitimate businesses for no better reason than they just might be on the fiddle.  If the police kept stopping someone on such flimsy grounds there would end up being a complaint for harassment - justifiably.

JSMC

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Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #51 on: March 28, 2011, 07:50:51 am »
you must be a joy at parties vince.

Londoner

Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2011, 07:24:11 pm »
Funny thing that you should mention it, don't get invited to many.

mci services

Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #53 on: March 28, 2011, 07:35:00 pm »
Funny thing that you should mention it, don't get invited to many.
;D

cozy

Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #54 on: March 28, 2011, 09:07:00 pm »
Sorry Vince live with the can of worms and stop been petty.

Thats alright, you don't need to say sorry, but its not just window cleaners is it? Its the whole benefits culture that I object to and it does offend me. Don't go thinking these people work cheap either and undercut, they don't. Its the fact they think they are so clever that makes me want to pull the rug out from under them.

When I was taxi driving it was worse, one guy boasting he had never paid a penny tax in one breath and saying how he was taking his family to Cyprus for a month in the next.


I am pretty sure if he has gone out and spent thousands on a van, system and leaflets he would be on benefits.
The benefit cheats are most likely driving around in a car, with a set of ladders on top and drying their scrims on the car heater lol.

We only have ourselves to blame with the amount of newbies starting up, guys on here bragging and B.S.ing about how much they earn, hmmm £50-£60 per hour sounds extremely good to someone thinking about starting up.


Matt

Matt, you're over estimating this forum mate. 20,000 members yes, but about 70 regular posters and about the same amount passive readers. That 20,000 represent about 0.002% of windies in UK. I don't believe that before starting up a WC round that all newbies read cr@p on here and think "I'll have some of that".

How many forums are out there? A few active ones and even more for builders etc etc. This forum has next to zero influence on how many newbies start up in UK. Chill.  ;)

As has been said already, I'd be suprised if some benefit cheat had invested in a newish van with all the kit to go and earn beer money.

D F WINDOW CLEANERS

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Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #55 on: March 28, 2011, 09:36:38 pm »
glad i dont live in pinner , super grass vince ,you dont need coppers they got vince and they aint nicking your work there doing jobs you missed or lost because you was to busy being nosey instead of working

Paul Coleman

Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #56 on: March 28, 2011, 10:34:05 pm »

The benefit cheats are most likely driving around in a car, with a set of ladders on top and drying their scrims on the car heater lol.

Matt
no need for that comment,i choose not to have a van and a crappy wfp set up,dont make me a cheat
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Of course.  I started with a Datsun Cherry hatchback a few small tools and the ladder on top wasn't even mine.  I borrowed it from an out of trade plumber.  I was legit too.

groundhog

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Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #57 on: March 28, 2011, 10:39:50 pm »

The benefit cheats are most likely driving around in a car, with a set of ladders on top and drying their scrims on the car heater lol.

Matt
no need for that comment,i choose not to have a van and a crappy wfp set up,dont make me a cheat

Of course.  I started with a Datsun Cherry hatchback a few small tools and the ladder on top wasn't even mine.  I borrowed it from an out of trade plumber.  I was legit too.
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When I started I didn't even have a car or a ladder!! I had a bucket, mop, squeegee and a couple of old tea towels for scrims. I could only do bungalows, but I built a pretty good round and I was legit as well. Everyone has to start somewhere, give them a break!!!

NBwcs

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Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #58 on: March 28, 2011, 10:51:32 pm »
I think your wasting your time Vince, cant imagine the tax office being that interested. You get a small amount of time after you've set up a business to register anyway plus any earnings dont have to be declared till the tax year end. . As for dole cheats, its pointless. They have to prove their actively looking for work to keep claiming anyway, what better way than leafleting to prove their wanting to work! It doesnt prove they actually are unless you photograph them doing it and even then , your allowed to carry on claiming as long as you declare part time earnings.( I worked in an unemployment benefit office for four long years).We all get jittery now and again about competition but sounds like your getting paranoid. Book a holiday and take some chill time mate

dai

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Re: Leaflets out in force - must be spring
« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2011, 05:07:04 pm »
The benefit cheat deserves any punishment they get, however, benefits and immigration issues are subject to so much misinformation.
Getting benefits these days is becoming as hard as obtaining a British passport.
The following tale may enlighten a few of you.
In October last year my son lost his job, to date he has received no benefits.
He has worked for 24 years as a fisherman. Being classed as self employed he is liable to pay his own tax.
Because my son had over £16,000 in the bank, he was disqualified from claiming job seekers allowance. His protestations that the money was not his, but was set aside for the tax man meant nothing.
In January my son paid his £14,000 tax bill, this included the money he owed for payment received since April last year until he finished work.
The dole said that he should not have paid this tax bill until it was due after the 6th of April coming, they said he should have lived on it, and accused him of disposing of assets.
So how the hell was he supposed to pay the tax on money already earned if he spends it on living expenses?
My lads not a happy man, he's earned over 50k a year for the last 10 years, and paid tax on every penny of it, his MP is looking into the matter, in the meantime he gets nowt.
I give him a couple of days work a week to keep the roof over his head.
Is he a benefit cheat? What bloody benefits?