[ryan mca]

 Looking for a second hand machine and would like your opinions
on the cfr recycling and can you turn it off and use it like a standard
extractor.

Ryan

[Harry Roberts]

Hi Ryan, I have one of these for sale with a wonder wand, only 115 hours on clock, why not call me to talk about it.

Ragards

H

[Harry Roberts]

Sorry Ryan, 07816 898098.

Too early for me on a Sunday morning - i forgot to give you my tel no

[Mike Halliday]

a cfr cannot be used as a conventional extractor as it only has 1 water tank ( not a fresh & separate waste tank) so as you clean the carpet the water you are sucking up is filtered then mixes with the clean water in the machine.

[Steve. Taylor]

I have never understood this , so can somebody explain how this effects the pump.??

[yorky]

I took a look at one of these at one time before going for their powerflte perfect heat instead. I heard mixed comments on the way it works, some people seemed to love it and others hate it. I loved the idea of not having to constantly refill the tank on big jobs but given I always use solutions in the tank could not get my head around the recycling of dirty water mixing in with my cleaning solution and in affect lowering it's effectively regardless of the filters.
Having said that never actually tried the machine and maybe I'm just old fashioned.

[garry22]

I've used CFR machines since 1997.

Like everything, there are pro's and cons.

The tools are fantastic and you get a lot of power for a portable. You get outstanding results on upholstery. Drying times for carpets are low.

I always use a prespray and then clean water (occasionaly acid rinse) to RINSE with.

Maintenance is vital.

The machine (particularly the pump) are washed through at the end of each working day. Since I have been using M - Power, this has been more necessary, due to a very fine film building up on the internal filters. Again, these are cleaned each time.

The machines are great for most jobs.

On grubby carpets (e.g. pubs), you are going to quickly reach a point where the filters start to clog (despite the self cleaning features) and like it or not, you will need to change water a couple of times. This will be less than normal porties though. I normally use a self contained machine with integral brush for grubby jobs.

I saw a nightclub being refurbished the other day and the contractors were using CFrs with the hard floor wand to clean a large tiled area.

Overall great results, as long as you are willing to do the necessary basic maintenance.

garry

[ryan mca]

thanks for the replys my main concern is using powerburst as a pre spray
and acid rince in the tank how would the acid rince be affected when mixed
with powerburst in the tank

[garry22]

I'm guessing that it would get progressively weaker (but I've got no figures to back it up). Maybe you would have to add a bit more acid every so often? Sorry I cannot be more accurate.

[stu_thomson]

I used CFR machines for 6 years and still have my pro400 machines but now have for the last 3 years had truckmount.

CFR are great machines and well built but as allready mentioned you have to clean the filters (5 mins) at the end of and during jobs sometmes.

I allways used M-S as a prespray and just water rinse, that way no build up of foam in tank

And also you have to use the wonder wand or roller wand and their upholstery tools for minimum drying times

Have one pro400 machine for sale if anyone wants it (no tools though) as still use 1 machine as back up to trucky!

stu

[Matt Steele]

i used the 400 for 3 years, and as previously stated it was excelent on upholstery (mainly down to the cfr tools, i now use the tools with a powerflite perfect heat with the same or better results)
on lightly soiled domestic carpets it was good but on heavily soiled restaurant carpets it just didn't cut the mustard, one minger i did i had to empty and clean the filter every 20 mins or so, so in my opinion its a good bit of kit but by no means an all rounder

[yorky]

i used the 400 for 3 years, and as previously stated it was excelent on upholstery (mainly down to the cfr tools, i now use the tools with a powerflite perfect heat with the same or better results)
on lightly soiled domestic carpets it was good but on heavily soiled restaurant carpets it just didn't cut the mustard, one minger i did i had to empty and clean the filter every 20 mins or so, so in my opinion its a good bit of kit but by no means an all rounder

Hi can I ask a question about the powerflte. Does the black handle on the front of the machine to the left of the pressure gauge adjust the pressure ?
Can't see anything about it in the manual.
Thanks

[Adam Fearnley]

Watch for screws and bolts coming loose on the 500.

[Eddie_Rhone]

Hi

I don't wish to hijack this thread but always wondered about the recycling side of cfr machines, and as a few owners of these machines have posted on this thread would you like to explain how you got on with it.

Kind Regards

Eddie

[robert meldrum]

On domestic work the CFR machine is excellent and with it's large tank will be able to clean a 3/4 bedroom house on one fill.............as long as thorough vacuuming has taken place and the recommended method of prespraying and aggitating are followed.

In some areas you would need to add an acidic rinse otherwise you would just rinse with water in the tank..........after all the actual cleaning has already taken place by the prespray / aggitation.

The filters should be checked regularly while cleaning and grit / lint removed otherwise the vacuumation is compromised. The returned water is filtered through three graded filters which collect all grit and items likely to damage the pump but the discolouration of the water will not filter out.

On heavily soiled areas you would simply empty and refill as you would with any other machine.

The main advantage or the CFR is the saving of time in filling / emptying and the CFR tooling not only allows you to dwell on, carry out repeated passes when necessary but gives exceptional recovery resulting in quick drying.

[Jamie Pearson]

http://www.tornadovac.com/cfr/docs/ECO_500_6pg_fin.qrk.pdf

Info above.

Conventional detergents / rinses dont work particularly well with the CFR system.
M/S or DFC products are best choice. Pre-vac as stated is essential.

The filtered water is more than clean enough to work with. You already clean with dirty water anyway. As your wand delivers solution/rinse to the carpet it mixes with the soil, becomes dirty and is pulled back through the fibres.

With the wonder wand more is removed so there is no notable difference in the end result when compared to a similar spec machine.

[from edge2edge]

Stu Thompson what do you want for the pro400 as i might be interested(assuming i can sell my hire machines etc).Regards Alan(swindon) tel 07878601150

[Matt Steele]

Hi yorky, yep black numpty on front of machine is water pressure adjuster

[yorky]

Cheers Mat

[Matt Steele]

"Black numpty" that'l learn me not to post while inhaling red wine