[Dave Willis]

we were selling the same yellow hose, however had lots of complaints, so now only sell the yellow flexi5, far better.

Where's that on your site Craig?

Ewan, what's the red stuff you sell is that flexi5 too?

I'm desperate for some non twisty pole hose that stays supple below five degrees.

[Craig Trevain]

yes it is.

[Dave Willis]

 

[Craig Trevain]

under hose.

[Dave Willis]

Can't see it?

[outdoor restore]

Can't see it?

It's the bottom item on Hose & Reels page

[s.w.c]

We took the decision to switch to yellow hose from clear/black hose well over a year ago now.  This was following a legal situation with one of our clients, interestingly there have been several more since then and one that we specifically know of currently. The FED were also interested and contacted us to find out more - they have since been in communication with the client involved.

It is not strictly speaking a H&S issue as the HSE have not specifically 'come down' on this issue - however using clear or black hose would go against their standard advice as it is in itself a hazard that has been placed in the way and is difficult to see for those not looking and those of restricted vision. On the grounds of a client's private property there really would not be an issue as the client has requested the work done and would share the responsibility for any hazard subsequently introduced to their property - unless it was over the front path as the public has a legal right to call at a homes front door. However wherever work is carried out over public highways, pavement and communal access areas/grounds then it would become a matter involving the general public.

 In H&S terms you should try and remove/reduce the risk first. The first step should be to try and avoid running unnecessary hose across public areas -perhaps by parking in a different place etc. The second step if you cannot remove/reduce the risk is to help identify the hazard to others - using yellow hose helps to fulfil this H&S responsibility. Yellow hose will not remove or reduce the risk at all, but it will help identify the hazard to those around.

This is really either a 'caring' issue or a 'litigation' issue:

1.Either you as an operator 'care' about reducing the risk to people around you. Seeing an old lady's face completely smashed up is apparently not nice for a window cleaner (or the old lady).
2. Or you as an operator do not want to be 'litigated' against - this could be expensive and very stressful, your insurance of £1,000,000 may well not cover it.

Yellow hose is actually much harder & expensive to source, as we have to have it made to order whereas clear hose is available from almost all hose suppliers and at more competitive prices. We are happy now that we are not supplying equipment that would put a window cleaner in a position of unknowingly placing others in greater danger. Of course if a window cleaner wants to replace the hose with clear etc that is their decision that they knowingly are taking and as such we leave that with them - it's a free world after all.

what was wrong with bright orange

[Dave Willis]

Found it thanks. Shame the link was removed. Poxy site  :

[Alex Allen]

we were selling the same yellow hose, however had lots of complaints, so now only sell the yellow flexi5, far better.

Where's that on your site Craig?

Ewan, what's the red stuff you sell is that flexi5 too?

I'm desperate for some non twisty pole hose that stays supple below five degrees.

i'm not ewan, another oner spending to long on forums
i limit my time on these things never more than 1-2 hours a week maximum
maybe you need a break

if you want the cheaprst hose I think wintecs do 50m for less than £8
someone posted that a few weeks ago
personally i dont use any hose unless its manufactured to iso 9001
got caught out, and you end up not using it and buying better quality anyway so a waste of money
but its worth asking wintecs
i use to go to streamline they also advertise their hoses are made under iso 9001
same as tecbuk, but tecbuk are cheaper and the quality is the same

[dai]

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comprehensive yes
its not entirely accurate
red maintains a strong contrast what ever the colur blindness
thats one of the reasons why red is the universal warning colour

as he said, red & green can be seen as a mustard colour or yellow!!!!
work it out for yourself 

Actually neither is accurate, as one that suffers from this condition I can tell you that red does not stand out for all of us.
Bright red such as pillar box red no problem,
Bright green like emerald no problem.
It's the darker reds, greens and browns that are the problem, and that's why I'm always standing in the brown stuff when it's on grass.
The further I am away from something the harder it is to see the colour if it's brown , green, or red. I can see the different shades though.
I love electric blue, and can spot it miles away.
I don't know if it's anything to do with the condition, but my memory for colours is crap, if someone asked me what colour car went past or what colour top my Mrs was wearing I wouldn't have a clue.
I can still remember the blue eyes that blond had this morning though.

I find that having three different pole hose lengths saves me a load of hassle. I use Algarde 4mm I/D silicon outside the pole, it can be instantly changed as it just pushes onto the Y piece  and is held to the pole with tape. 4 ft of hose between the bottom of the pole and the EZ connector is all I need, the main microbore hose can easily be grabbed to pull out more hose.

[Window Washers]

I have just replaced the yellow hose on the slx's and need to change it on the clx, it is a nightmare stuff

I think the yellow is a good idea just the quality poor for the job we do, tangle wraps around, kinks total pain in the back side, I remember uploading pics to facebook a few days  after getting the new slx. the stuff is laughable and was highly annoying to the working day

so I called purefreedom and asked them, for there clear hose, dont know if it was cheap or not, I just wanted rid of the hassle, changed it, job done

hope Gardiners do look into hose issue, as well as the loose clamp issue. To be fair to Gardiners I have to say there slx is a fantasic pole lasts ages my first one is still going strong after must be 2 years now and that is daily use.

Ian

[geefree]

Yep,

Used hot water today,.. and the yellow hose was soft and supple,...

but ARRRGH , its driving me mad the rest of the time, its rock hard normally , kinks, coils and is shocking ,

whoever decided to market this as a good idea because of the colour, have obviously not been out working , doing their homework,

its not for us , its nearly impossible to work with any fluencey  without  having to constantly uncoil the stuff.

[Dave Willis]

Black Wintecs is the same - you can hear it smacking the rocks as you try to drag it around the garden. I think i had a tangle on every job I did today. It doesn't like the cold weather.

[Dave Willis]

Well I've emailed Tecbuk and got no reply and can't buy direct off their website so that's them out of the window  :
Gardiners say their new stuff is slightly softer than before.

[Alex Allen]

Black Wintecs is the same - you can hear it smacking the rocks as you try to drag it around the garden. I think i had a tangle on every job I did today. It doesn't like the cold weather.

cheap stuff like gardiners hose then
either go for tecbuk or streamline hose
both are iso 9001

[Dave Willis]

won't be bothering with Tecbuk hose somehow - five week lead time! What good is that?

[chez]

I find that as the temperature rises {hope the spring comes sooner rather than later} all of the hoses become easy to manage including the brush hoses. Tend to kink less when it is warm. Just have to put up with it a little while longer 

[dd]

Some people seem to think yellow hose is not as good as clear, don't think it has anything to do with the colour, just that the hose from Gardiners is not that good (sorry Alex).