[niceandclean]

I don't understand why it would be a problem anyway, caravans and camper vans carry them around, Why is it a big deal for us to carry them round? (for some insurers)

I would assume that Caravans would be classed as SDP.

[chopsie]

But thats irrelevant surley? Gas is being carried, and often a couple of bottles at a time, Some people (especially camper vans) Live in there and drive them on the roads almost daily.

[niceandclean]

But thats irrelevant surley? Gas is being carried, and often a couple of bottles at a time, Some people (especially camper vans) Live in there and drive them on the roads almost daily.

But the gas system would be used for business purposes, ie for carrying out your work. If i insured my car for SDP/C or Business use, the prices are very different. Its all to do with how much of a risk they think you are.
I wonder how Concept 20 users get on?

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

They don't seem to make mine any more a EU54, the replacment seems to have a flue.The idea of a flue is to remove carbon monoxide.

In my case i have a bulk head seperating the cab and am no where near when the thing is in operation.


Carbon monoxide builds up in the body and combines with heameglobin to form carboxyheameglobin, meaning your blood can not absorb oxygen and you die.It's called the silent killer because it is absorbed over hours and people can fall asleep and not wake up.Incomplete combustion causes the gas.

Regarding Carbon Monoxide, why don't you have a Co2 alarm in the cab for peace of mind. I have one in our living room as we have biomass heating/multi-fuel boiler stove.

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

But thats irrelevant surley? Gas is being carried, and often a couple of bottles at a time, Some people (especially camper vans) Live in there and drive them on the roads almost daily.

But the gas system would be used for business purposes, ie for carrying out your work. If i insured my car for SDP/C or Business use, the prices are very different. Its all to do with how much of a risk they think you are.
I wonder how Concept 20 users get on?

As it is for plumbers and others who use gas.

[jefftemperley]

if you really feel the need to cover yourselves you can buy a can of leak detection spray from plumbers merchants, squirt it around the gas fittings and if no bubbles no leak.

the l5 needs to be protected from frost ive had 2 units burst pipes even when i thought id drained them (i left plug out on one and it still froze and split a pipe)

it serves a purpose of heating water for £130 + £50 for a few fittings

why anyone thinks they can argue that a 4k system from ionics makes more sense is beyond me?

yes their stuff looks very nice with things all tidy and numptys and dials etc.

but .......... they do the same job as my setup i have the same components that are needed just connected by me instead of someone else

the same applys when i drive to jobs in my 10k van and get followed by someone in their 150k bently we both get where we are going.

my ego needs no massage from ionics and my customers are none the wiser im quite happy to let them think i invested 20k when it was actually about 2k

those that need to show off can carry on because myself and all the other guys who sensibly save money by doing a bit of diy are not impressed  and can see through people trying to take the mickey

[Steve CM]

If people prefer buying quality components why is that showing off? There is a reason why the Bentley you talk about Is 150k. Its because of the craftsmanship, engineering and quality components. Would I pay 10k for an Ionics system...nope. nearly did but couldn't justify the cost. Would i trust paying 120 quid for a shower unit that is run on gas cannisters? no way. I used Harris poles and thought they were great. Its the clamps that let them down. Bottom line is just because a product is expensive don't mean we are being mugged off. Sometimes things are expensive for a reason.

[Gary Cleverley]

the l5 needs to be protected from frost ive had 2 units burst pipes even when i thought id drained them (i left plug out on one and it still froze and split a pipe)

how is that possible your l5 froze after being drained? what pipe split? could it be ater you drained l5,you then connected inlet so l5 filled up againe .hence it froze

[formb]

Everything you ever wanted to know about L5 and more!!!

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=63565.0

 

[Lee Pryor]

Lee,

Why would you want to muck about with an L5 fitting it etc? surely a hot add on from ionics or PF or someone would be more benifit than mucking about with DIY'ing something like a hot set up? Thought you were a boy who liked his quality elements? seems odd to have a decent set up and then muck about with a shower unit or what ever it is?

Because after doing alot of research I understand its very easy, guy in the unit next to me is a mechanic and will help me. Water coming out of the brush is hot, simple as that.

I believe their are times it really is worth spending the extra money, (like on a safer tank) and other times where that extra money is frankly wasted. The long L5 thread goes back 3 years, Ive spoken to several people using them both on here and on the phone, they swear by them, so its not a new idear that only one person has tried, in which case I wouldnt be interested. sure its a pain they cut out but there are ways around that. The goal is to have hot water, this way its £150 or so per van, next way is £2500 and im not sure I can see the benefit of that, I also plan to buy a spare so if one goes wrong its all of a 5 min job to swap it over and im not fussed because it didnt cost the earth. I also plan to install carbon detectors in the cab of each van.

so to sum up, £150 or £2500 and they do the same thing, yes I would rather have the same as you, but I cant see the extra for that money so its no contest for me, somewhere in the middle and I might be interested, which is why im keen to here a first hand opinion of poseidon and there product.

[Steve CM]

I think hot is gonna be very good tool just the same as everything else.

You have surprized me. I thought someone of your size would see that a proper built unit using decent components would be a no brainer as even at a fee grand its not much. Even if you work 3 to 4 extra days over having a cold system it would of paid for itself

[mikecam]

 I thought someone of your size would see that a proper built unit using decent components would be a no brainer as even at a fee grand its not much.

The L5 is a proper built unit using decent components. Its fitting requires pushing a cold water feed in and allowing on out, oh!! Nearly forgot the pipe for the gas cannister !! And thats its.
 I'm suprised some of you actually allow yourselves or your guys to plug in their own hose reels, incase it aint done properley !!!
 A grands not much? Well maybe to me its not as i'm a millionare who just does this for a hobby, but i'm sure it might be a pinch for some of the lads on here.

[p1w1]

without trying to be argumentative why does a hot system give you extra days over a cold 1...this will be my 7th winter with wfp and i cant really think of once where its stopped me actually working due to having only cold water if i havent worked due to freezing weather its because  a, i cant be bothered or b, the road conditions or similar stop me from going nothing to do with the system..granted it saves the hassle of worrying about freezing pipes but i just take my pump hose real etc out at night and put in the garage takes 5 mins so not really saving me time there either. I am really open minded on this kind of stuff but on paper i just cant see it.perhaps if i actually try then maybe i would change my mind.
paul

[Panorama]

I asked my insurance today as its up for renewal,and they said it was ok up to carrying 11kg of gas, No extra charge. That was through commercial vehicle direct, with a company called highway, They were also ok with water tanks up to 500 litres,After that the premiums went up quite steeply.

chopsie , do you have a contact name , as my insurance is up for renewal in the new year. ( im with gladiator at mo . )

[chopsie]

Its through commercial vehicle direct (brokers) who were recommended laast year. The actual insurers are Highway apparently (waiting for stuff through post).

[wightsurf]

P1W1
I have run wfp for about 6 yrs and for most cold will do,But there has been the odd day over this term that cold was a waste of time.This is why i bought the L5.
The jets froze at the brush whilst cleaning the glass one yr , also water freezing on the glass is another.I don't have this prb with hot.I have 1 hot system and 1 cold and only yesterday the cold system was freezing on the glass where as the hot was going no probs on the same property.
The l5 is cheap and only gets used this time of yr for me by spring i will be back on cold but i don't lose out due to freezing weather.

[Panorama]

ye i know your insurance provider, i mean a contact name. just that if youve explained everything to them about what you want to do with the L5 then i could request to speak to the same person.  

[p1w1]

P1W1
I have run wfp for about 6 yrs and for most cold will do,But there has been the odd day over this term that cold was a waste of time.This is why i bought the L5.
The jets froze at the brush whilst cleaning the glass one yr , also water freezing on the glass is another.I don't have this prb with hot.I have 1 hot system and 1 cold and only yesterday the cold system was freezing on the glass where as the hot was going no probs on the same property.
The l5 is cheap and only gets used this time of yr for me by spring i will be back on cold but i don't lose out due to freezing weather.

i can see where your coming from but it really is a day here and there or do you use it all winter which really isnt that neccesary in reality... i presume it costs extra for insurance (van) does public liability cost extra using it? then the gas plus the risk of cracking glass and anything else i may of missed running it.. thats why i just dont see the real need for it although i could see the benifits of using it on first cleans or commercial work i do again tho cold water does them at the moment with not much hassle, i suppose its more of a luxury then a neccesity.. haven said all  that i once said there is no reason to change to van mount when i was using my omnitrolly HOW WRONG I WAS lol..perhaps when i get my new van next year i might give it a go just to see what the fuss is about..i wouldn't go paying thousands for it thats for sure.

[chopsie]

ye i know your insurance provider, i mean a contact name. just that if youve explained everything to them about what you want to do with the L5 then i could request to speak to the same person.  

Think it was Jsaon lane, But just ask for Jason as there are not many people work there. It was not for an L5, I was looking at poseidon. But I never mentioned what system, Just I was thinking of getting hot water system, and it would be gas powered, and wanted to know how much it would affect my premium. Came back next day with a response that It did not affect it with Highway as long as its 11kg bottle or under.

[Panorama]

ok thanks