[[GQC] Tim]

As said, let's hope and pray that he will make a full recovery, and his family will get through what must be a very difficult time.   

As a trad myself, I recognize the risks, but then we all take certain risks in other areas as well.
For example, do we all walk and drag or carry all our equipment to work rather than use our vehicles because of the number of accidents that happen on our roads every day?

John.
 

We have brakes on our vehicles. You don't have them on your ladder.

[Helen]

As a trad myself, I recognize the risks, but then we all take certain risks in other areas as well.
For example, do we all walk and drag or carry all our equipment to work rather than use our vehicles because of the number of accidents that happen on our roads every day?

John.
 

We all understand your argument and see where you are coming from, but not really needed on this sort of post.

Lets' hope the guy pulls through and gets better soon.

At this point his family would be grateful if he was well enough to take the risk of "driving" his car.

[Johnny B]

Tim and Helen,

Points taken. However, please note the first line in my post.

John.
 

[Newannaive]

there was a cleaner on a helicopter rescue programme earlier, he'd broke both ankles and legs..

not fell off a ladder though..

tried to jump across a river   :

[idealrob]

They break the law and guidlines, and as the advert says "SHATTERED LIVES", do they take any notice, you answer?

I will stick to my system that complies with the law and gets me home safe every night, others make there own choices, and live by their choice

idealrob

[Helen]

Tim and Helen,

Points taken. However, please note the first line in my post.

John.
 

It had been noted, just the bit that was not needed was quoted, I now see some other "not needed" posts as well , time for this thread to be locked please moderators.

[Johnny B]

I agree Helen, maybe this thread should be locked before this turns a tragic accident into yet  another WFP v trad argument (not my intention believe me).

John.

[prestige cleaners]

truth hurts eh?

it wont happen to me brigade.

we are not disrespecting this guy, but i hope people learn from this tragedy. how many more need to get seriously injured or possibly die before we get the msg!

i do use ladders very rarely, but i use a person to foot it, and wear a helmet.

[cozy]

Locking posts is always a great idea  :

Get a grip people. Let's just hope he recovers.

[Jack Wallace]

I agree with Cozy, locking this thread will not make the problem go away; maybe it’s that mentality which stops far too many people from changing to wfp. “if I ignore the fact ladders are dangerous I will be safe”
I doubt there is a single window cleaner in this country who has not heard about wfp, everyone knows it is the safest option yet they ignore that and carry on.
Don’t get me wrong here, I feel dreadful for this poor guy but more importantly I feel sorry for his kids. He did not have to take risks in his job, but HE chose to.
MODS, PLEASE DO NOT LOCK this thread!!!!
Because if it converts just ONE person to wfp it may save a life and stop more kids having a Christmas without their father.

Good luck to this guy and his family, I sincerly wish him well and a speedy recovery.

[Nathanael Jones]

Well said Jack.

[clearlyclean]

He was just trying to do the best by his family and earn a crust,poor guy is obviously in a bad way and wont be up a ladder for a while,I think we should all sympathise with this guy and show a bit of compassion,he is probably gone through all the "what ifs" and we should wish him a speedy recovery not debate about WFP because its safe and he would'nt have fell maybe he had no other choice.

[Smudger]

Has anyone got an update on recovery ?

Darran

[formb]

Very sad, hope he pulls through.

Makes you think.

[Helen]

I agree with Cozy, locking this thread will not make the problem go away; maybe it’s that mentality which stops far too many people from changing to wfp. “if I ignore the fact ladders are dangerous I will be safe”
I doubt there is a single window cleaner in this country who has not heard about wfp, everyone knows it is the safest option yet they ignore that and carry on.
Don’t get me wrong here, I feel dreadful for this poor guy but more importantly I feel sorry for his kids. He did not have to take risks in his job, but HE chose to.
MODS, PLEASE DO NOT LOCK this thread!!!!
Because if it converts just ONE person to wfp it may save a life and stop more kids having a Christmas without their father.

Good luck to this guy and his family, I sincerly wish him well and a speedy recovery.

Jack,
I'm with you every inch of the way on working safely and minimising risk, getting it across to people that ladder work of any sort can be dangerous.
The point I was trying to make was that this is yet another tragedy reported and the thread was not about "do's and don'ts", "rights and wrongs", "choices", "wfp V trad", "people trying to jump rivers", " i do it the right way" "he used a ladder so he deserved it" inferences"!
There are other many many threads that cover this.

The thread is about someone, who was trying to do right by his family, who may now die, who may have serious damage to his body and /or brain if he survives.

[Jack Wallace]

I agree with Cozy, locking this thread will not make the problem go away; maybe it’s that mentality which stops far too many people from changing to wfp. “if I ignore the fact ladders are dangerous I will be safe”
I doubt there is a single window cleaner in this country who has not heard about wfp, everyone knows it is the safest option yet they ignore that and carry on.
Don’t get me wrong here, I feel dreadful for this poor guy but more importantly I feel sorry for his kids. He did not have to take risks in his job, but HE chose to.
MODS, PLEASE DO NOT LOCK this thread!!!!
Because if it converts just ONE person to wfp it may save a life and stop more kids having a Christmas without their father.

Good luck to this guy and his family, I sincerly wish him well and a speedy recovery.

Jack,
I'm with you every inch of the way on working safely and minimising risk, getting it across to people that ladder work of any sort can be dangerous.
The point I was trying to make was that this is yet another tragedy reported and the thread was not about "do's and don'ts", "rights and wrongs", "choices", "wfp V trad", "people trying to jump rivers", " i do it the right way" "he used a ladder so he deserved it" inferences"!
There are other many many threads that cover this.

The thread is about someone, who was trying to do right by his family, who may now die, who may have serious damage to his body and /or brain if he survives.

I see your point Helen but this is forum not a post it note.
A forum is “an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages” (Wikipedia)
The whole purpose of a conversation is for it to progress and explore, if you were in a pub with friends and someone said something had happened to someone you knew you would not say “oh dear how sad, now let’s move on to another pub so we can discuss the implications of what happened.
If this thread ends up discussing world poverty or the best rubber for your squeegee I don’t see the problem. That’s what conversations do. It in no way detracts from the gravity of what has happened or shows a lack of respect or concern; it’s just normal conversation by normal people.
As you rightly pointed out “The thread is about someone, who was trying to do right by his family, who may now die, who may have serious damage to his body and /or brain if he survives. “
And the fact we are now having this “conversation” is keeping the post bumped to the top, hopefully it has also become somewhat interesting, and still topical! so more people will read it and think maybe I should re-consider wfp,
If this conversation makes just one person sit up and think, it was worthwhile. 

[GB Window Cleaning]

thoughts to his family. get well soon mate!

[cozy]

 

I see your point Helen but this is forum not a post it note.
A forum is “an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages” (Wikipedia)
The whole purpose of a conversation is for it to progress and explore, if you were in a pub with friends and someone said something had happened to someone you knew you would not say “oh dear how sad, now let’s move on to another pub so we can discuss the implications of what happened.
If this thread ends up discussing world poverty or the best rubber for your squeegee I don’t see the problem. That’s what conversations do. It in no way detracts from the gravity of what has happened or shows a lack of respect or concern; it’s just normal conversation by normal people.
As you rightly pointed out “The thread is about someone, who was trying to do right by his family, who may now die, who may have serious damage to his body and /or brain if he survives. “
And the fact we are now having this “conversation” is keeping the post bumped to the top, hopefully it has also become somewhat interesting, and still topical! so more people will read it and think maybe I should re-consider wfp,
If this conversation makes just one person sit up and think, it was worthwhile. 

Very good point. Needed saying. Locking posts is bad. We are all grown-ups, and nearly all of us are window cleaners. Discussion is good. I see what Helen means, but in this case, let the people discuss