[Carl2009]

My new SLX 25 arrived today. Here are the initial observations before use (tomorrow).

1. The sections are much narrower in diameter than old SLX (bought in July last year and is the one with the "new" transverse clamps)
2. Collapsed (with a  Supalite on) it's around 3 inches longer than the old pole
3. Extended it's a good 2.5 feet longer
4. It's much whippier than the old SLX, even when extended to the same (max) length of the pld SLX - I was amazed at how much whippier it was and had to check the sticker on it to see if they had sent me a CLX by mistake!
5. Positive extension stops are good
6. It's supposed to be 10% lighter than the old pole, but I can't feel any difference
7. Comes with yellow hose as advertised. This feels quite stiff - be interested to see how it is in winter when the hose gets cold/stiffer

It also came with the wrong hose connector - a simple error - and no angle adaptor (an apology that they are out of stock.

I'm going to use it tomorrow for the first time, so it'll be interesting to see how it is in practice. I've a feeling i'll prefer the old pole...

Anyone else got thoughts having had the old one and new one for a while?

 

[Small but perfectley formed]

Got,the,new,22slx,it,does,my,head,constantley,adjusting,clamps,every,time,i,extend,it.

[Gardiner Admin]

Got,the,new,22slx,it,does,my,head,constantley,adjusting,clamps,every,time,i,extend,it.

Email sent to you.  Sounds like you need a replacement set of barrel nuts which should cure this problem.

[steven ainger]

quick question for gardiner admin'.

 has the new slx been manufactured differently to the old slx, with reference to the initial post about the pole being more " whippy "

[Gardiner Admin]

quick question for gardiner admin'.

 has the new slx been manufactured differently to the old slx, with reference to the initial post about the pole being more " whippy "

The previous model SLX25's had a larger diameter top section than all the other models - basically they started with Section 2 instead of Section 1.  This was because historically the very first SL-X which was only available as a 25ft pole was built on these dimensions.  The downside of this was that for manufacturing purposes when making 10 different sized poles, it created complications in top end logistics.  It was decided to streamline the range and have the SL-X25 starting with the same Number 1 Section as the rest of the range.  The advantage of this is that the 25ft is now lighter than previously (1375g as opposed to 1550g) and has a narrower handle section (34mm as opposed to 37mm).  The pole will feel lighter in use due to the fact that the top section is lighter and this makes the most difference to handling.  The disadvantage is that it will be slightly more flexible (whippy) than the original.  To get an equivalent pole to the original 25ft, a 30ft pole would need to be purchased and the top section discarded.  This would give a pole to the exact dimensions with the same handling characteristics.  The other advantage of the latest SL-X25 is that it only costs £254 as opposed to £340 for the MkI 25ft and £320 for the MkII 25ft.  The carbon quality is the same and in fact the manufacturing tolerances of the latest model are superior to any of the previous versions.  We hope this answers your question.

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

In a nut shell it's a much cheaper pole to make because of the all the subsequence smaller diameter pole sections.

You made a new pole that wasn’t compatible with the previous pole specifications with regards to the pole components such as screw end, clamps etc. That’s has contributed to change, but the main problem would have been your pricing of two poles same length at different cost which would have put a huge dent in your profit margins.

You have made a mistake then compromised pole stiffness the main purpose of using Carbon Fibre material for the sake of 175 grams of weigh.

Shut up you complete twot!  What you know about poles & manufacturing I could write on a postage stamp & still have room left for the sequel! : :


Thanks for the informative reply Gardiner admin.

[lee09]

You don’t have to be insulting, just explain what have Gardiner’s done. There post is very informative if I have got it wrong by all means correct me. If you claim to understand so much about CF pole’s it shouldn’t be a problem.

What makes you think Gardiners pay any attention to anything you write? I don't know but I would imagine that they see you like the rest of us as a plonker.
Lee

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

You don’t have to be insulting, just explain what have Gardiner’s done. There post is very informative if I have got it wrong by all means correct me. If you claim to understand so much about CF pole’s it shouldn’t be a problem.

The problem is you're like a vulture, just waiting for any pathetic opportunity to jump on Gardiner products to try & make yourself look clever! Pathetic, boring & just plain SAD! :

We have a good idea who you are & who you represent Ewan. It's all very boring. :

[Dave Willis]

Ewan seems to have a chip on his shoulder with Gardiners god knows why. You've got a company producing a quality pole who have even managed to reduce the price of their poles to less than half the price that Facelift poles were a few years ago and he still ain't happy - what a berk!

[SB Cleaning]

I have just purchased a SLX25 and all i can say it destroys the 18ft Brodex hydra alloy and the xtel 17ft i had before im really happy with the purchase

[Dave Willis]

I think that’s the point, my point isn’t only aimed at Gardiner’s this is a Forum.

I give the majority of people on here more credit; I don’t buy everything Gardiner’s say.

You wouldn’t look so daft if you were able to criticise Gardiner’s as well as praise them. No firm ever gets it right all the time. Just for your information I know other manufacturers who laugh at people like you, there not laughing at Gardiner’s. If you don’t believe me go to another suppler tell them who you are on here and see if they can keep a straight face.

You're on here Ewan I bet they are peeing themselves laughing at you - we are.
Do you work for a supplier? Perhaps make the tea? 'Cos you sure aren't a windowcleaner.

Come on delete all your threads - they have been on for at least half an hour.

[SherwoodCleaningSe]

The lightest most rigid pole at very low prices, far cheaper than the competition. And what's more sold buy an honest supplier. Glad to see gardiners are back here to give us some more of their valued advice.

Simon.

[Dennis Taylor]

I've just taken delivery of the Gardeners CLX27, thats a very good pole too and a bit cheaper than the full carbon SLX.

Dennis

[darren clarke]

at least gardiners come on here and answers questions,  i only see ionic plants and nothing from purefreedom

[steven ainger]

quick question for gardiner admin'.

 has the new slx been manufactured differently to the old slx, with reference to the initial post about the pole being more " whippy "

The previous model SLX25's had a larger diameter top section than all the other models - basically they started with Section 2 instead of Section 1.  This was because historically the very first SL-X which was only available as a 25ft pole was built on these dimensions.  The downside of this was that for manufacturing purposes when making 10 different sized poles, it created complications in top end logistics.  It was decided to streamline the range and have the SL-X25 starting with the same Number 1 Section as the rest of the range.  The advantage of this is that the 25ft is now lighter than previously (1375g as opposed to 1550g) and has a narrower handle section (34mm as opposed to 37mm).  The pole will feel lighter in use due to the fact that the top section is lighter and this makes the most difference to handling.  The disadvantage is that it will be slightly more flexible (whippy) than the original.  To get an equivalent pole to the original 25ft, a 30ft pole would need to be purchased and the top section discarded.  This would give a pole to the exact dimensions with the same handling characteristics.  The other advantage of the latest SL-X25 is that it only costs £254 as opposed to £340 for the MkI 25ft and £320 for the MkII 25ft.  The carbon quality is the same and in fact the manufacturing tolerances of the latest model are superior to any of the previous versions.  We hope this answers your question.

thanks very much for your detailed reply, and yes it did answer my question.
 may have to buy myself another slx soon

[thermoclean]

looks like the gardiner poles are cheaper because they are less rigid?
less material used? 
as for the facelift poles being more expensive i would say from experience of buying from both companys that the facelift poles are cheaper in the long run as they dont wear out so quickly.
as for brodex well u get what u pay for

[Nathanael Jones]

looks like the gardiner poles are cheaper because they are less rigid?
less material used? 
as for the facelift poles being more expensive i would say from experience of buying from both companys that the facelift poles are cheaper in the long run as they dont wear out so quickly.
as for brodex well u get what u pay for

You could just pay "The old price" for the new SLX a size larger than you require, & discard the top section.

I see it that Gardiners are offering a cheaper SLX option,.. but you can still get the old one if you want for the same price you used to pay.

[Clive McDonald]

I've got several slx's EWAN and they are great. The new admin personna (which is a great idea because it removes personalities as far as possible) only made three posts before you were on him.Give it a rest please EWAN.

By all means argue or state what you think, but following individuals across topics, assigning base motives, hidden agendas, and genrerally muddying the water is just tiresome.Hitting someone three modrerate and informative posts in after months away from the forum just shows why the sensible people stay off this forum.

You don't even own an SLX, know nothing about them, and many don't even think you are a window cleaner.

[Carl2009]

Wow. Didn't mean to start such an argument.

1. Thanks for Gardiners Admin coming on the forum and answering the post. You've been missed from here and your expertise is welcome.
2. The pole I have bought is, in my opinion, great value for money. No question of that. I'd buy another, nuff said.
3. So, i've use it for a day - it's is more whippy than the old SLX (not a lot, but it is more whippy). It is not noticeably lighter to me, but a long day's work is a long day's work and i'm going to feel tired.
4. It is longer than my old pole, and already I have found an advantage in this. I await to see if, over time, the longer collapsed length outweighs the benefits of the extra reach afforded.
5 Not sure how long the 'positive stop' paint is going to last - perhaps a more permanent solution (to what is an improvement).

Ewan,  I don't know you mate, and no offence, but - in my opinion - your tone is unnecessary. Make objective criticisms in a polite way or don't bother at all. I support all Slumpbuster says.

To be honest we should all be supporting Gardiners, Facelift, Brodex, Ionics and all similar suppliers; criticise constructively where necessary and give praise where it's due. In the end it will result in better equipment at keener prices for the end user. Us.

Incidentally, someone mentioned Pure Freedom. I had cause to call them today and Andrew remembered who I was, without prompting, from March last year. In my book this is a good company producing a great system at a reasonable price.

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I've got several slx's EWAN and they are great. The new admin personna (which is a great idea because it removes personalities as far as possible) only made three posts before you were on him.Give it a rest please EWAN.

By all means argue or state what you think, but following individuals across topics, assigning base motives, hidden agendas, and genrerally muddying the water is just tiresome.Hitting someone three modrerate and informative posts in after months away from the forum just shows why the sensible people stay off this forum.

You don't even own an SLX, know nothing about them, and many don't even think you are a window cleaner.

Well said!