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james roffey

Foaming problem
« on: August 05, 2010, 03:49:09 pm »
A couple of jobs i have done recently i have had severe problems with foam i have been using masive amounts of Prochem defoamer much more than suggested by prochem, but i still have this problem it's not so much foam building up in the recovery tank water level,although a small amout of foam lays on the top i empty regularly to also avoid it getting into the vacs, its foam building up in the "diffuser" or where it enters the waist tank thats the problem  it builds up so much that vac performance is affected, also worried that this may damage the vacs, today i had to stop four times on one room, even after vaccing up defoamer through the hoses twice ???, now i read the instruction manual on my Airflex and it said because of higher vac strength foaming will be more of a problem than it would on a twin vac machine, which i might add i never had this problem once, but its getting to the point that i thought i cant do this it's going to damage my machine, how on earth do i get around this, are there some chemicals that i can put in my prespray/ solution tank that can reduce foam what is going on ???
The first time it happend i was using ultrapac renovate and clear water rinse, and today Nemesis and clear water, the lady in the house today said she had used vanish but only on a stain, i was so desperate today that i mixed up some defoamer and sprayed it on the carpet before extraction which helped a bit, after i finished i took the cover of the waste tank and ran the vacs to try and dry them just in case but i think this is going to be expensive if this keeps happening

ianharper

Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2010, 03:53:26 pm »
JIm

put defoamer in bucket and turn vac on it will coat inside hose and should stop it. if not you might have to change the type of hose you use, or detergent

Respect

ian

james roffey

Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2010, 03:55:18 pm »
Thats exactly what i have been doing mix it with water in bucket suck it through vac

Steve. Taylor

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Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2010, 03:57:37 pm »
James from your post you have done everything right always put it through the hose first and the tank second

in the past i have used a bar of soap in the tank worth a try.
Steve T       All the gear but no idea!
www.leatherrepairsouthampton.co.uk

james roffey

Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2010, 04:02:08 pm »
Lads with the greatest respect and apreciation of your replies i wish you had both read my post in its entirety ::)

 i have sucked it up the hose, and the foam in the tank above the water level is not what is causing the problem, so much as foam building up where the waste water enters the waste tank when it hits the diffuser

CleanerCarpets

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Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2010, 04:07:46 pm »
i was told the Airflex use to have a problem with it drawing water through the vac motors but i assumed it had been sorted as its such a hit and used by a franchise now

maybe the airflow still isnt quite right and still not deflecting from the vac intakes like it should - does anyone else have problems with it?

i have the Scorpion and the way the inside is worked out in the dirty tank really helps keeping the crud and foam from the intakes, i only really get a problem when a custy has used loads of foamy product themselves

doesnt sound right to be emptying the dirty tank so much on every job, have you spoken to Cleansmart?

derek west

Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2010, 04:20:52 pm »
james
what you cleaning with?

james roffey

Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2010, 04:26:10 pm »
The job i did last week was so bad i tipped a quarter of the bucket of defoamer mix on the carpet and sucked it up through the wand and the rest i fed throught the vac hose, but i was worried as it suddenly lost vac strength :o when i got down stairs to the machine i turned off the vacs took the top off the waste tank and it was full of foam by the intake :o
 also when i disconnected the hose from the wand foam dripped out.

PS i have phoned cleansmart, Mat is on holiday, gonna phone the engineer in the morning

james roffey

Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2010, 04:29:15 pm »
Both times "clear water" extraction  ::)

Presprays used ultrapac renovate/ and today i used Nemesis

Pristine Clean

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Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2010, 04:30:08 pm »
I had this problem last week as well. I also have the airflex turbo 600psi

If you find any info on the issue, I would appreciate the feed back.

Dave
"You have to except that some days you are the statue and other days you are a pigeon"

james roffey

Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2010, 04:32:39 pm »
This problem made the job all but impossible, i can hear my Ninja calling from the garage :'(

derek west

Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2010, 04:35:17 pm »
Both times "clear water" extraction  ::)

Presprays used ultrapac renovate/ and today i used Nemesis

how long are the hoses?

when you say "clear water" do you mean hydramaster or plain water?

Pristine Clean

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Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2010, 04:46:04 pm »
This happened on a 25 feet and a 50 feet hose.

Can I ask why the hose length is important. 

I had a Rhino 500psi that most people "put down" never had an issue I ran hose at 100 feet from that machine no foaming.

Spend like over 3 grand and problems.

Dave
"You have to except that some days you are the statue and other days you are a pigeon"

james roffey

Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2010, 04:52:49 pm »
Derek i was running 1.5 inch, 50ft hose length and using just plain water, in the tank was about 2 iches of thick foam, but as i kept the level low this was not a huge problem just inconvenient  :( but when the water hit the inside of the waste tank you could see the foam building up.
Plus prochem say two scoops of defoamer fed down the vac pipe, i must have used 12 scoops :o and added everytime i emptied the tanks whci was about four times >:(

james roffey

Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2010, 05:05:55 pm »
Only had the machine a month and it came with 1.5 was told by Cleansmart that these would do fine, anyway i have never seen a single post anywhere saying 1.5 hose can cause foaming problems, vac strength, yes, not using defoamer or sucking it up the vac hose, i used to wonder what all the fuss was about with defoamer on my Ninja sometimes i forgot and no problem, now i have a giant three grand bubble making machine :o

derek west

Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2010, 05:10:14 pm »
use an acid rinse, especially with U.P.
powerburst is reasonably low foaming, try that.
and drop to 25 foot when possible.

derek west

Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2010, 05:11:07 pm »
oh! and less prespray and more agitation and dwell.

all that should correct it. i hope.

C Phillips

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Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2010, 05:12:41 pm »
last time I had a problem like this there was a small crack in the moulding of the recovery tank. foamed like mad.

Chris

CleanerCarpets

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Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2010, 05:36:27 pm »
is air getting in the dirty tank from elsewhere causing problems with the airflow?

i know the lid on the Airflex was suspect before but i cant believe it would have that sort of problem still if it was being sold to a franchise?

does the lid seem to fit right - does it sound like its letting in air?

clinton

Re: Foaming problem
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2010, 06:06:37 pm »
James do you have a 3 vac model mate as 2inch hose would be better..