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Poll

Do you need hot wfp systems regular customers?

Yes
17.4%
4 (17.4%)
No
69.6%
16 (69.6%)
Don’t Know
4.3%
1 (4.3%)
Yes, but don’t know why!

0 (0%)
Yes because someone told me
8.7%
2 (8.7%)

Total Members Voted: 17

wcs.

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« on: July 18, 2010, 05:46:15 pm »
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EZclean

  • Posts: 857
Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2010, 05:55:33 pm »
only used one hot system for a few hours on regular cleans in a quiet village, low traffic., and i must say i was as impressed as when i first had a play with wfp for the first time.

so i voted yes.

hot water will always break down dirt better and faster than cold water.
so even if we think we dont need it on every window we clean, which we dont,
i would personally prefer to use hot all the time, one problem.. i dont have it.. yet
 ;D

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ian1972

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Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2010, 06:01:31 pm »
I only use it on first cleans normal cleans don't need it

DaveG

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Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2010, 06:04:16 pm »
I would of loved one for the 3 weeks of last winter when it was absolutely freezing but I get on very well with my cold water system thanks  :)
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ian1972

  • Posts: 840
Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2010, 06:10:49 pm »
The 3 weeks of freezin weather put a stop to using the hot as well as the cold remeber hot freezes faster than cold water

Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2010, 06:12:03 pm »
I don't know why i'm replying to this Ewan (or whoever) but hot is better if you want to work faster with fewer mistakes.This also inlvolves a high flow and rinsing on.

If you like to scrub a lot, save water, and take longer then it's not so important.


If you have someone work with you who has never done this before and is a numptie then hot with fan jets and a high flow rate is pretty idiot proof from day one

It's true more skillfull cleaners can use less water, and don't need hot water.I'm not one of them.


the bfg

Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2010, 06:15:39 pm »
Ignoring the sales pitch with these systems from the manufacturers, as window cleaners servicing customers each week do you think you actually need a hot/warm wfp system for windows that were only cleaned a few weeks prior?
















why do you ask ?

do you use a hot water system ?

your question and your poll seems to me that you come over on the envious side of

A  suplliers of hot systems
B  users of hot systems

I could be wrong but then again you could have worded both the question and poll better

A@R WINDOWCLEANING

  • Posts: 312
Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2010, 07:12:25 pm »
i have used cold water 5 years and hot for 3 years would not go back to cold, hot is much quicker and i did use it in winter when it was freezing kept me in work, great system dont forget the frost stat that stops the pipes freezing up over night exspensive but well worth it  

A@R WINDOWCLEANING

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Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2010, 07:14:55 pm »
hot water breaks dirt down quicker ,bird poo quicker,fly poo quicker without too much scrubbing

ian1972

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Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2010, 07:16:58 pm »
The prob was not van or pipes freezing up was the brush freezin to the glass along wit the dangerous froze water on paths

A@R WINDOWCLEANING

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Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2010, 07:41:50 pm »
 i clean all my frames and sills on every window they are dirty every time

the bfg

Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2010, 07:46:52 pm »
hot water breaks dirt down quicker ,bird poo quicker,fly poo quicker without too much scrubbing



Not every window you clean each day has bird poo on, so other than being quicker on those few windows each week is there any other reasons why you think it’s quicker.














because it also dries quicker

Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2010, 07:48:20 pm »
It's not quicker, i am. I am able to work faster because of it.


The difference is being more confident that i won't get complaints.I told you that a newbie first day on the job can do this, but this is not the case using cold water.

I clean on an industrial scale Ewan, you should know this, speed is everything and time is money.My 800l tank is mostly emptied, both electric reels are smokin', and ginger goes home completly cream crackered every night.An extra £1.50 a day for hot water is not going to break me.


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Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2010, 07:51:06 pm »
This is an interesting post and what slumps is saying makes sense.

I voted no but I am slowly changing my mind

Sean Dyer

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Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2010, 08:19:36 pm »
It's not quicker, i am. I am able to work faster because of it.


The difference is being more confident that i won't get complaints.I told you that a newbie first day on the job can do this, but this is not the case using cold water.

I clean on an industrial scale Ewan, you should know this, speed is everything and time is money.My 800l tank is mostly emptied, both electric reels are smokin', and ginger goes home completly cream crackered every night.An extra £1.50 a day for hot water is not going to break me.



you work alone slumps?

you sound like you  have a simialr philosphy to me when i work i / we go at it hard and will do anything to save time / effort and speed up

im still 90% trad, would like to see you working wfp as i reckon id need a similar set up

Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2010, 09:10:48 pm »
Well i was probably laying it on a bit thick to have a dig at ewan.

Yes it's about speed, but mostly it's about trying to make it easier for myself.Using the forum is good because you don't have to make/repeat the mistakes i/we made.For instance i started with a trailer, it was hopeless, don't ever do that.

I have emailed a video link to your info addy.

Sean Dyer

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Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2010, 09:33:27 pm »
Well i was probably laying it on a bit thick to have a dig at ewan.

Yes it's about speed, but mostly it's about trying to make it easier for myself.Using the forum is good because you don't have to make/repeat the mistakes i/we made.For instance i started with a trailer, it was hopeless, don't ever do that.

I have emailed a video link to your info addy.

been there with the trailer thats why im still trad haha

thanks

A@R WINDOWCLEANING

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Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2010, 09:38:49 pm »
dont agree ewan have you got hot water?

A@R WINDOWCLEANING

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Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2010, 09:41:36 pm »
i we can go on about this all nite, you think cold is best i think hot is best  lets just agree to disagree

Re: Is hot/warm wfp necessary everyday?
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2010, 09:45:02 pm »
Hot water? He hasn't even got a van or a system, he's a phantom.