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drwindows

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Re: Brodex Super-Light Modular Pole System
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2009, 12:31:19 pm »
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also, 3.9kg was that with, or with out water in the hose? I find that figure misleading
without!  Otherwise we'd have gotten water on his missuss kitchen floor and she'd have batted me  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Seriously though, i do hate to rant because for me its not what the forums about.

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do you complain because the figure they gave was for a car with a 8 stone driver and nothing else. common sense must be used.

Although its at the bottom end of the scale, at least that would be possible.  It ISNT possible to use a pole with no brush, gooseneck or hose in it.  Its not about putting your products in the best light, its about straightforward honesty, nothing more, nothing less.

tomy jackson

Re: Brodex Super-Light Modular Pole System
« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2009, 12:39:06 pm »
gardeners are the most honest co ther is

Moderator David@stives

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Re: Brodex Super-Light Modular Pole System
« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2009, 12:47:07 pm »
I know a few honest ones

ftp

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Re: Brodex Super-Light Modular Pole System
« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2009, 03:07:13 pm »
Maybe you would like the weight quoted with a Vikan sill brush and gooseneck attatched to the end?
Forty odd feet of tubing won't weigh the same as a feather either.

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Brodex Super-Light Modular Pole System
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2009, 03:18:30 pm »
Sorry, but I just don't think that is adequate.

Products and pole comparisons are one thing, but a buyer may or may not happen to look at that.  And what exactly does "bare pole" mean anyway?  Thats a phrase you have just made up, i've never heard it before.  Yet again dodging the issue I think, why not just say "weights quoted are without hose, brush and gooseneck"?  The obvious reason is that anybody who saw that would think "well what use is that then"  whereas if they dont know what "bare pole" means then they can be happily mislead.

But even now that it is on the page, i think you are missing the point.

Do you know anyone who uses a pole without the brush attached?  Or without the hose?  Of course not.

It would be like a car manufacturer giving the specifications of the car "without steering wheel" or "without engine" or something like that.

IMO the only reason a supplier would quote the weight of something without essential parts attached (and then not make it all that clear) is so that they can make it appear lighter than it actually is.

Why not just put the REAL weight on, rather than try to mislead?

You could simply have the three different weights for the three different goosenecks.  Surely it can't be that difficult?

Sorry to rant, but this is one thing that really gets on my wick.

I'm glad to see you acknowledging this as a rant :)

From the outset of selling poles we have to tried to provide a level of clarity that was not present in the industry at the time. We have always quoted pole weights (whether our brands or competitors) as bare poles. Why? Because this is the only way of getting an accurate comparison of products. Brush/Gooseneck combos can weigh from 320g to 900g depending on the manufacturer or model. 'Approximate' weights are always quoted because particularly on larger poles the weight can vary by up to +/-200g depending the exact tolerances of the carbon sections as they come from the factory.

I do apologise for the oversight of not having this mentioned on the Super-Max page. It had previously been on a section in the SL-X and Super-Max pages, but this had been removed when trying to make the layout simpler. It was an error that it was not included, which is why I confidently referred to it as 'on the website' - It is now back on the website.

With regard to the phrase 'bare pole' it is a fairly common phrase and I would have thought readily understood by a majority of people. If I made it up then I made it up about 5 years ago. Other retailers now also use this phrase in this industry. I apologise though if you feel that this is a misleading phrase.

Fortunately for you I do not think that you are one of our clients so hopefully the situation has not impacted your work performance. If your friend feels that he has been mislead when purchasing this item then please get him to ring the Office or email me directly and I will arrange for the return of his pole and a full refund.

Even with this textual oversight they are still the lightest most compact telescopic WFP range in the world.


drwindows

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Re: Brodex Super-Light Modular Pole System
« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2009, 03:39:20 pm »
Alex,  i still think you're missing the point, I already said its a good pole, quite possibly the best one at that size thats out there.  All I'm saying is that if I don't know what "bare pole" means, then likely other people wouldnt either.  Especially if they're new to window cleaning.

So, if your intention really isn't to mislead, then in the interests of clarity,

Instead of

"Weights given are for bare pole."

Why don't you just put

"Weights given do not include brush, gooseneck or hose"

That's all I'm saying.

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Brodex Super-Light Modular Pole System
« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2009, 03:49:22 pm »
Alex,  i still think you're missing the point, I already said its a good pole, quite possibly the best one at that size thats out there.  All I'm saying is that if I don't know what "bare pole" means, then likely other people wouldnt either.  Especially if they're new to window cleaning.

So, if your intention really isn't to mislead, then in the interests of clarity,

Instead of

"Weights given are for bare pole."

Why don't you just put

"Weights given do not include brush, gooseneck or hose"

That's all I'm saying.

Originally the phrase 'Bare pole' was used to keep the word count down on product listings - trying to make the website as easy to use as possible.

I have now taken your point on board and after the weights have put the phrase:
(weights given are for bare pole - no brush, hose or gooseneck)

I have also put this after the weights on the X-Tel poles as well.

drwindows

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Re: Brodex Super-Light Modular Pole System
« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2009, 03:53:13 pm »
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I have now taken your point on board and after the weights have put the phrase:
(weights given are for bare pole - no brush, hose or gooseneck)

I have also put this after the weights on the X-Tel poles as well.

Well I guess that it is true what they say about you, a true gent!

Again, I know it was a rant and I am sorry, but nothing personal, it annoys me so much when companys try and word things to mislead.  I can see that probably wasnt your intention, and you've changed it now so fair play to you!

And just to add, the pole itself was good, i liked it and will no doubt be ordering one soon enough.

Small but perfectley formed

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Re: Brodex Super-Light Modular Pole System
« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2009, 03:58:33 pm »
bare pole  ???  lap dancing club :o
Suites you sir!
Spit and polish

tomy jackson

Re: Brodex Super-Light Modular Pole System
« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2009, 04:06:16 pm »
yes ther are other good cos out ther ,perhaps he shud have sad in is bethday sute  ;D ;D????????/

windowswashed

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Re: Brodex Super-Light Modular Pole System
« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2009, 06:40:28 pm »
Never bother with the spray for modular poles. Just put some electrical tape at the point where they are likely to stick together to prevent them jamming together. Always carry some marigold rubber gloves should they ever get stuck to get a really good grip to undo clockwise only.

macmac

Re: Brodex Super-Light Modular Pole System
« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2009, 06:52:37 pm »
Alex,  i still think you're missing the point, I already said its a good pole, quite possibly the best one at that size thats out there.  All I'm saying is that if I don't know what "bare pole" means, then likely other people wouldnt either.  Especially if they're new to window cleaning.

So, if your intention really isn't to mislead, then in the interests of clarity,

Instead of

"Weights given are for bare pole."

Why don't you just put

"Weights given do not include brush, gooseneck or hose"

That's all I'm saying.

Well you must be the only adult window cleaner in this country that can't, after approx 0.5 of a second realise what "bare pole" means! Try night school. ;)

MoemGorod

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Re: Brodex Super-Light Modular Pole System New
« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2009, 07:55:13 pm »
You're right, macmac™. Its even clear for foreigners.

Explanation should be short as a shot. More time for the rest, then.  ;)

Unfortunately, no such kind of phrase in Russian and we have to explain with the long list of items. Heh

regards,

Vadim
www.MoemGorod.com - WFP supplier in Russia & CIS
www.MoemGorod.ru - WFP WC in Saint-Petersburg