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Temple cleaning services

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still streaky!!
« on: May 26, 2009, 04:49:39 pm »
Hi all been using wfp for just over a year and im still finding that there r streaks and white spots on some windows its really annoying i find myself checking all the time and not having the peace of mind does my head in! ive tried all different techniques with no joy! they seem to be mainly in the top corners and running down from the top seals! any suggestions wud b greatly appreciated :)

AuRavelling79

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Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2009, 05:01:13 pm »
How much of the top frame, if any, do you clean?
It's a game of three halves!

Temple cleaning services

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Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2009, 05:11:14 pm »
i dont really i avoid it,my water is 000ppm aswell!

Robin Ray

Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2009, 05:27:51 pm »
If you dont clean the frames you may be picking a bit of dirt up off them when you rinse. If this is the case on a real problem window try giving the frame a real good clean then the window then doing another window and coming back to the first one and rinsing. The next time you should only need to give the frame a maintenance rinse.

hope this helps :)

macmac

Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2009, 05:36:05 pm »
What brush do you use & what shape is it, also pencil or fan jets?

birdymiller

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Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2009, 06:20:17 pm »
That is my grumble with wfp, you dont know what you are leaving behind. With trad you can see up close marks and bird poop. I like you have had wfp for a year and tried all different techniques and still get poor results from time to time. At one point i thought it might have been cos i only use ro not a di, but on some windows the results are good. Wfp is so frustrating, my working life was so much more straight forward when i was 100% trad although maybe not as safe.

Temple cleaning services

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Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2009, 07:17:05 pm »
I cant agree with you more birdymiller, i feel exactly the same about it!!!

Temple cleaning services

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Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2009, 07:18:43 pm »
i use a viking sill brush mac mac, ive been wondering latley about getting a fan jet in one of my brushes, what do you think?

ftp

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Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2009, 07:25:24 pm »
If you don't clean the top frame then you are going to have to be pretty accurate with your cleaning method. You've only got to have a small flick of the brush and you'll have dirty water running back down.
I'm in my third year now and never get perfect results. Good enough for all my customers but not good enough for me.

[GQC] Tim

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Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2009, 07:30:56 pm »
That is my grumble with wfp, you dont know what you are leaving behind. With trad you can see up close marks and bird poop. I like you have had wfp for a year and tried all different techniques and still get poor results from time to time. At one point i thought it might have been cos i only use ro not a di, but on some windows the results are good. Wfp is so frustrating, my working life was so much more straight forward when i was 100% trad although maybe not as safe.

Listen, if for a year (or more) you still have problems, almost 100% of the issue is on the operator side, a good wfper should be able to do a reasonably good job even with a rubbish brush.

I virtually always get perfect results.

ftp

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Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2009, 07:31:33 pm »
I would ditch the sill brush and buy a Gardiners Superlight brush. They are much more accurate and easy to work into the corners.

pingu

Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2009, 07:42:20 pm »
I seriously doubt anyone can get near perfect every time, every window...2,5 years I have been wfp and I reckon if I wanted to could snag every house I do and find 'issues'....good enough for customers but I can find 'issues'.

but then again you could do the same with trad......

Now don't jump on my case and tell me I am doing it wrong please...but I just do not believe those who claim perfection.

Cheers
Dave.

Mike 108

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Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2009, 08:02:36 pm »
I'll second that!

[GQC] Tim

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Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2009, 08:04:57 pm »
Maybe I should clarify myself, on reasonably good windows, you can definitely get perfect results.

kris martin

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Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2009, 08:25:14 pm »
I seriously doubt anyone can get near perfect every time, every window...2,5 years I have been wfp and I reckon if I wanted to could snag every house I do and find 'issues'....good enough for customers but I can find 'issues'.

but then again you could do the same with trad......

Now don't jump on my case and tell me I am doing it wrong please...but I just do not believe those who claim perfection.

Cheers
Dave.
ill second that also but i do find now i have the superlite that it is a lot more acurate brush with a lot better scrubbing power  with better results..

kris

macmac

Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2009, 08:30:26 pm »
i use a viking sill brush mac mac, ive been wondering latley about getting a fan jet in one of my brushes, what do you think?

Like you I don't clean the frames but for this method you have to make sure the top beading & ONLY the beading is clean, do not go above it or flick the bristles causing splashes to go above it. I've been using this method for 5 years & get a more reliable clean than doing the whole frame. You need to have patience in mastering the technique but IMO it's well worth it as you'll be quicker & first cleans arn't an issue! I would strongly advise you get a gardiners super-lite brush, flocked or mono' which ever you prefere, I use the dual trim mono'. You must have pencil jets. Obviousley, the lighter & stiffer your pole the better, again, I use a gardiners slx-carbon.

I'll try to explain this next (very important) bit as best I can-

 You have to clean the top beading of the window with the tops of the bristles i.e. not the ends (tips). First put your brush on the glass & move it up & down a couple of times in the middle of the window. This will get water into the whole brush &, more importantly, into the top row of bristles. It's important to have the bristles either facing the glass at 90 degrees (flush on) or have the brush ever so sleightly pionting downwards. This will avoid any water going above the beading. I usualy butt the bristles up to the beading & bend them down against it. Now, with the brush in this position, move it from side to side, keeping a bit of pressure up against the beading, covering the whole width of the window enough times to give it a good clean. Then, clean the glass as normal BUT, don't go wild near the top of the glass as this may undo your good work & pass water over the beading. When done, push the brush up to the beading again (in the same fashion as before) & move it slowly across from one corner to the next to rinse the whole window. Depending on the window, at this point I sometimes lower the brush a couple of inches & lift it just off the glass & do an extra rinse. This is mainly for windows that bead badly.

You must not have a flow-rate of such that the water bounces off the glass & causes unnesesary splashing. 2mm pencil jets & a nice, gentle but sufficient flow is perfect. The reason for a good shaped, accurate, light brush should be obviouse now too. The super-lite is the tool & is perfect for sash windows too.

Also, if you have to do any georgian windows, you must scrub the window-bars (astragals) from side to side & not vertically, or you will splash the top frame. ;)

As said, it takes care & patience to begin with but before long you'll be flying & the technique will come as second nature. Many believe you cannot be so accurate as to not clean the top frame, I prove them wrong every day! :D

Hope that helps, off for a bath now. ;)

Slash

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Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2009, 10:52:45 am »
I always clean the top frame and above it and a good rinse too,I don't see the point in cleaning just the sides and bottom piece,some swear by leaving the top piece of frame but I always clean it followed by a rinse above it to wash the dirt down and no problems at all,the frames would look awful with just the sides and bottom piece done,if your going to do a job do it properly  ;D

GWCS

Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2009, 12:26:02 pm »
I clean everything - all the window surrounds, frames etc on the first clean, if you dont as soon as you get it wet it will ruin your following cleans. Which is obviously the problem on this case.


Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2009, 08:46:20 pm »
I clean the whole top frame every time. No problems. Clean two or three top frames then clean the windows on each.

If you are using only RO and not DI it might be worth checking your tds. On shady days you will get away with a slightly higher TDS than on sunny days.

On cloudy days you can get away with TDS up to about 30 but I wouldn't recommend it!

Sapphire Window Cleaning

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Re: still streaky!!
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2009, 12:22:29 pm »
I have a vikan sill brush, but I only use it on conservatory roofs and guttering as I find the bristles are too stiff.
I use a 11" oval vikan brush, not had a problem so far.
You really need to brush the frames well and rinse well, try not to spray water up into the airvents.




Matt
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