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AuRavelling79

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*PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« on: January 09, 2009, 05:47:10 pm »
Thanks to all for the hot wfp input on this forum but I'd like to ask Roy and Ian specifically whether they are going hot; any reasons for so doing (or not); and what system ((DIY) or not)) you might be considering.

Thank you.

P.S. This is not to exclude others but Roy and Ian as successful self-employed sole operators are where I want to be businesswise. (I realise that a hot system for an employee might not be the same as one I might use for myself)

It's a game of three halves!

Roy Harding

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Re: *PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2009, 08:44:17 pm »
Hi Malc

Yes i'm going to go hot in the next few months. I will go the diy root as it is little outlay, then I can judge for my self if it is better than cold.

If it is then I would be prepared to spend more on a custom fit and new van, as there is little tax bennefit left in mine as it is now 5yrs old and done 42,000 miles.

Are you thinking of going hot?

Roy


Re: *PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2009, 08:52:10 pm »
In 2007 a leading Resin supplier warned the industry that Hot de-ionised water could actually be corrosive and detrimental to some framework because oxygen will leave the water at high temperatures resulting in a higher concentration of dissolved carbon dioxide which increase it’s acidity.A well known water fed pole supplier advised............ in stubborn dirt scenarios to either pre-treat with detergent or double clean with cold water to avoid costly law suits due to damage.

The cpmpany also saidthat after  researching the cleaning power of pure water concluded that it is the Structure of the pure water it’s self that does the cleaning not the temperature of the water this has little or no effect.



Kevin R

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Re: *PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2009, 09:56:45 pm »
Tucker USA  made those comments,  they are a leading supplier of wfp and wfp detergent systems.  Make your own minds up  ;)

peter holley

Re: *PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2009, 10:01:56 pm »
Thanks to all for the hot wfp input on this forum but I'd like to ask Roy and Ian specifically whether they are going hot; any reasons for so doing (or not); and what system ((DIY) or not)) you might be considering.

Thank you.

P.S. This is not to exclude others but Roy and Ian as successful self-employed sole operators are where I want to be businesswise. (I realise that a hot system for an employee might not be the same as one I might use for myself)



what is successfull, as i seem to pay more tax than most.... :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
i hate my concience :'( :'( :'(

NWH

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Re: *PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2009, 10:29:51 pm »
If you use hot water you won`t careless about it cos it`s so much better-easier to work with,ask any hot WFPoler if they`ll go back to cold water the majority wouldn`t.

AuRavelling79

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Re: *PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2009, 03:36:36 pm »
Hi Malc

Yes i'm going to go hot in the next few months. I will go the diy root as it is little outlay, then I can judge for my self if it is better than cold.

If it is then I would be prepared to spend more on a custom fit and new van, as there is little tax bennefit left in mine as it is now 5yrs old and done 42,000 miles.

Are you thinking of going hot?

Roy



Yes I am and will probably go DIY as an add-on when I can work out how the best way is to go about it.
It's a game of three halves!

Re: *PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2009, 03:39:31 pm »
Malc are you not concerned about vehicle/public liability insurance doing it DIY?

I must admit I do find the thought of 3K a bit of a bitter pill to swallow!

wightsurf

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Re: *PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2009, 03:52:07 pm »
Malc are you not concerned about vehicle/public liability insurance doing it DIY?

I must admit I do find the thought of 3K a bit of a bitter pill to swallow!

Why not phone your insurer up and ask what the require ments are.

windowswashed

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Re: *PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2009, 07:12:20 pm »
If the water is being heated after DI, it makes no difference. It only changes slightly if it's heated before DI, something to do with the percentage of cations and ions mixed together for cold DI use.

NWH

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Re: *PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2009, 08:05:23 pm »
The water is heated after DI in all systems i`ve looked at.

windowswashed

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Re: *PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2009, 08:19:12 pm »
That's how they're suppose to be fitted. If someone has a DIY heater and a bi-pass back into tank because of flow rates cutting the boiler out then the re-heated water from the tank passing through DI would affect the resin but it's so miniscule that the damage to wooden frames isn't exactly that noticeable anyway. Tucker were just using that 'resin notification' as a sales gimmick to scare monger hot wfp users into buying their resin supplies, (good marketing tactics though)

Re: *PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2009, 08:46:12 pm »
windowwashed
My di is at ibc before transfer to van at zero tds.

What you say is true apart from that.

AuRavelling79

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Re: *PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2009, 10:15:40 am »
Malc are you not concerned about vehicle/public liability insurance doing it DIY?

I must admit I do find the thought of 3K a bit of a bitter pill to swallow!

If I had employees then yes but as I'm the only one using it then to me it's no harder than putting a multipoint over a sink. I would happily use a plumber to install and/or use a a diesel heater if gas is a problem.

I carry gas bottles when I go camping, have used gas bottles when using a caravan. But diesel's ok.

I see minimal risk and no risk to the public. I would always meet legal requirements though.
It's a game of three halves!

Re: *PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2009, 10:17:24 am »
I shall follow your progress, is this something your likely to consider doing shortly?

Matt

AuRavelling79

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Re: *PING* IAN GILES AND ROY HARDING - HOT?
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2009, 04:20:53 pm »
I shall follow your progress, is this something your likely to consider doing shortly?

Matt

During the next few months.
It's a game of three halves!