[C.C.S.]

hi wich one to go Ashby or Prochem course?cheers

[Russell Morgan]

NCCA they are non biased

[Steve Weatherley]

I have done both and both were excellent. I also did the NCCA one and also very good. Go to your nearest one.

[gwrightson]

Russell.
not been on the ncca course I shouldnt really comment on the subject, but sod it I will anyway.

You say they are non biased......  I wouldnt be 100% certain of that statment.

I agree thay are an independent body , and are portrayed as such , however, Do you know the instructors ? Do you know what chemicals they use ?  How do you know for sure they are not pushing certain products ?   after all we all have our favs and products we dislike.
Why am I posing these questions?
Only today I was informed by a newbie, that his instuctor had advocated the use of cold water cleaning only. I will not mention the course or the instuctor, the instuctor by the way is I know, a very respected
c/c and I believe was an instructor with the ncca.
The point been, which product his he pushing by cold water cleaning only.

Geoff.
ps. waiting for the flack

[Ken Wainwright]

Geoff

You have answered your own question in a way. "....I believe WAS an instructor with the ncca"

This would mean that the person concerned WAS NOT running an NCCA course.  My suspicion is that the course attended by your colleague was from an industry supplier and the training was aligned to their products offered.  And as for cold water rinsing, again a presumption on my part, it could be that the product being demonstrated "performs well" with a cold water rinse.  There's nothing to stop the use of heated water.

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[Russell Morgan]

Russell.
not been on the ncca course I shouldnt really comment on the subject, but sod it I will anyway.

You say they are non biased......  I wouldnt be 100% certain of that statment.

I agree thay are an independent body , and are portrayed as such , however, Do you know the instructors ? Do you know what chemicals they use ?  How do you know for sure they are not pushing certain products ?   after all we all have our favs and products we dislike.
Why am I posing these questions?
Only today I was informed by a newbie, that his instuctor had advocated the use of cold water cleaning only. I will not mention the course or the instuctor, the instuctor by the way is I know, a very respected
c/c and I believe was an instructor with the ncca.
The point been, which product his he pushing by cold water cleaning only.

Geoff.
ps. waiting for the flack

are you talking about the altec connection, im NCCA trained, been on a few courses, and altec are my nearest supplier, living in cambs, and i have to say iv never used them, or have never been advised to use them on any of my NCCa courses!!

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Geoff,

The problem with CC is that there is no definitive right or wrong and almost all courses are run by people who have experience but as far as I can tell no technical qualifications, save the odd O- level.

Any course can only be independent if the person running it stands to gain nothing financially from any sale of products.

To advocate cold water cleaning only is both technically naeve and really unfair on the unsuspecting trainee.

I would say go on a local training course, if supplier led bear in mind they will try to sell to you and meet up with experienced CC's .

Cheers

Doug

[gwrightson]

Ken,
I agree with you , and as I said was an instuctor. and the actual comments were "Only ever used cold water"
Russel not altec, and Ken is correct in his suspisions .
However,  I am not suggesting any products are pushed at the ncca as   they obviously are on other courses . The suggestions I made in my first reply merely pointed out the possiblity  
An as every course I have attended primarally the iicrc ,products are pushed but hey who can blame an instructor especialy when a company is sponsoring the course and the instructor has finacial interests.
All of this said with no disrespect to Steve Carpenter who on this occasion was the instructor and now with a company I shall not name

Geoff

[Russell Morgan]

mind you on my NCCA course i seem to vaguely remember the Prochem man coming and giving samples?? so probably doesnt really matter where you go, wherevers nearer, you can join the NCCA if you want as long as you've been on some kind of training, if that takes you fancy

[Ken Wainwright]

No Russell

To join the NCCA you must attend one of their recognised courses which, for those new to our industry, means NCCA or IICRC.

As for products at NCCA training, all Associate Members have been invited to display and present their own line of products, whether capital or consumable. There is typically several Associates products on display at most courses. The instructions and training giveb, however, are always generic.

As for IICRC, they work differently. The instruction again is generic, but as far as I'm aware,  the courses are sponsored by a single company. This means that there is only one brand of products on display, and only one brand of products available for practical demonstrations. But the teachings are generic.

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[Russell Morgan]

well when i joined, you could go on the prochem course and still join the NCCA

[Ken Wainwright]

That was a very long time ago Russell.

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken