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steve a

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Re: Price
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2008, 11:10:42 am »
Put 180 first then modified it to 150 then back to 180, there's a lot of glass and ledges there. If it was large windows, less ledges then yes 150, but as you have to do each window separately then 180.
I do 2 similar jobs for  142 and 175

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Price
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2008, 12:14:13 pm »
£180 take it or leave it.

Alex £85 :o  Do you need the work? Have you got a magic wand. LOL

Steve a

 :D  That was just for the window cleaning on a monthly basis, based on a year's contract and yes I have got a magic wand  ;)

Looking at the building (I could be judging it completely wrong!) I just cannot see how it could be £200's worth of work.  I realize that prices in Cornwall are not as high as some other areas, so this may need to be taken into account.

simon knight

Re: Price
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2008, 12:45:15 pm »
£180 take it or leave it.

Alex £85 :o  Do you need the work? Have you got a magic wand. LOL

Steve a

Clearly if you and Alex were competing for the job Alex would get it. Alex has done his sums and reckons 90 minutes work, times his hourly rate (appears to be £60ish) and arrives at £85.

Obviously if 3 or 4 cleans down the line it turns out 90 minutes was too conservative and in reality it's taking 120 minutes then perhaps a bit of renegotiating would be in order.

To me the ONLY way of pricing any job is hourly rate multiplied by time expended plus a bit of tweaking to take into account proximity and frequency.

I think the days of "£180 take it or leave it" are over for the time being...especially if you're in competition with the likes of me and Alex.



 


jaykie

Re: Price
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2008, 12:47:37 pm »
id rather do 5 or 6 houses then charge £85 for that , look how many windows there are then half again round the back and youve got windows at side,

alanwilson

  • Posts: 1885
Re: Price
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2008, 01:49:53 pm »
assuming half as many windows again on the back as there are on the front then you have 200+ windows, each set nicely into their own frame.

Anyone thinking they can do a decent job on that in half an hour is badly mistaken.  thats 9 seconds per window!!  considering some of those panes are 8ft plus, I reckon thats very ambitious.

we clean a number of car dealerships - similar to the building pictured and I would estimate it would take one decent wfper 90mins based on a monthly clean with a high water flow.

price £90
I've never been to bed with an ugly bird but I've woken up with loads!

dave0123

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Re: Price
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2008, 02:41:03 pm »
I just dont understand the so low prices tbh am the same with RWC if i got the job for 85 or 90 or anything around there i would rarther stick to houses i do a small hotel for more than 90 pound and theres less windows and an easy job.

once the front is done would you not have to make ur van taking more time? i estimated about  2 -3 hours doing the front making it a very good job but im just slow with WFP anyway houses dont make me any faster with wfp slower infact so maybe thats why.

I priced this job in feb and they didnt choose me and i have been asked again, i imagine because who ever priced it before was and got id underpriced the work and they didnt get the roof done in the end and now there seeking window cleaning and roof cleaning. the last price was over £200 just for the windows and to be fair i wouldnt want the job for 80 or 90 pound to much hasel.

dave
Dave.

peter holley

Re: Price
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2008, 03:25:20 pm »
ok. i do a building similar to this, although my job also has a porch of which i do the inside.....i also do about 20 windows on the inside....i do th job every 6 months, and it took me  4 hrs on the first clean...(filthy) ... the next clean will take me 3 hours... i cgarged £230.

if it was monthly i could charge £130, but then i would be able to do it in about 2 hrs 30 mins.
i live about 5 mins away....


trike

Re: Price
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2008, 03:53:36 pm »
what price did you put in,and what price do you think its worth,like you sayfrom scale of pic there are some windows there

Wayne Thomas

Re: Price
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2008, 04:10:13 pm »
Prices down in East Devon are **** hence why I use a high water flow and don't dawdle around with perfection cleaning when it comes to windows. I look at every pane of glass as an amount of money to be cleaned as quickly as possible and onto the next one. If I could get away with charging £200 plus for that job I'd be driving around in a Ferrari.  
Some of the prices on here are either over inflated or you're very lucky you don't have the competition from seasonal workers, benefit cheats and new have a go window cleaners popping up all the time to have to lower your prices to compete against competition. Wages in this part of the country are very low compared with the rest of the Uk despite having the second least affordable houses in relation to annual incomes.
Credit crunch has kicked in where I live. A lot of people have lost their jobs or are cutting back on expenses or are selling up. I am finding it harder to replace lost customers with decent new ones at decent prices because of so much competition.
I'm just happy I can earn more than the average person for the amount of hours I work to fit in around my long term illness which prevents me from taking alternative employment or moving abroad to live.
I can't get over inflated prices where I live so the only way I can earn good money is to do each job as quickly as possible which I've succeeded in with help from this forum.

jaykie

Re: Price
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2008, 06:34:19 pm »
Np disrespect but if you didnt dordle and made sure you put 100% in to each clean then people wouldnt go for a cheaper cleaner, they may think well our guy doesnt do a great job so why not go for a cheaper guy with the same outcome, ive priced up work where previous cleaner was £10 and i was £18 but theyve taken me on as i leave the place cleaner. Also by the sounds of it there is a big difference in areas as ive heard people slated for what theyve said they charge etc but its true these prices excist,

peter holley

Re: Price
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2008, 07:26:45 pm »
Np disrespect but if you didnt dordle and made sure you put 100% in to each clean then people wouldnt go for a cheaper cleaner, they may think well our guy doesnt do a great job so why not go for a cheaper guy with the same outcome, ive priced up work where previous cleaner was £10 and i was £18 but theyve taken me on as i leave the place cleaner. Also by the sounds of it there is a big difference in areas as ive heard people slated for what theyve said they charge etc but its true these prices excist,


exactly right...i posted earlier and said i get £230 for a similar job, i spend a good 4 hours on the job(less on the next clean)although it is only 6 monthly.... however how can i be overexagurating, when the that is what i charge!i do admit i may have slightly overpriced it....but i still got the job, and the director is the husband of our health visitor, he wanted someone reliable and known in the community.

ronnie paton

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Re: Price
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2008, 08:30:22 pm »
£30 wow were you based simon i would sub out all my commercial and make a fortune for sitting on I disagreee,  simon you say window cleaners like us help your business well window cleaners like you help mine, you cnt clean that properly in 45 min so it would mean you doing a poor job and then they would look else were.

i would say the roof would be around 200 plus cherry picker charge and the windows from  around £150, ask them if they have had a quote gives you an idea of your competition.

lovewindows

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Re: Price
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2008, 11:45:54 pm »
I'm a newbie so i would bow to your experiance but...... i would look at between £150 and £200 depending on how often they want them cleaned . The chap who said £30 can he contact me as [ if he's any good ] i'll sub ALL my contract work to him.
 I got into this as 1/ I'm my own boss "2/ With WFP i reckon i can make some money [ to me thats £30 phr plus ] 3/ I can work hrs that suit my family 4/ i'm not sitting in traffic that adds 2-3 hrs to my working day 4/ I dont give the taxman everything.
So i'm loving being a window cleaner but £30 for that???????? i'm just glad i'm not living in the same area     
dont look who's to blame, look how to fix it. anon

groundhog

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Re: Price
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2008, 12:04:32 am »
£120

steve a

  • Posts: 466
Re: Price
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2008, 06:03:14 am »
i'll stick by what i said. £180 take it or leave it. 3-4 hrs to do a proper job, of it takes longer you're covered if it takes less time you're going too fast but you will be quids in, £30 is too cheap £85 is working for wages.

Just my opinion

Steve a

simon knight

Re: Price
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2008, 02:49:09 pm »

Guys, I'm not wfp so am just guessing as to how long it'd take...and from what I'm always reading about how fast wfp is I "guesstimated" about 1 hour. OK if it takes 2 hours then surely one charges for 2 hours work...3 hours then charge for 3 hours work.  But YWCS's £175? Blimey this must be for an entires days work and no way with wfp would it take a day to complete.

I'm so grateful that you guys exist....you keep me fully booked ;D

This is what I posted! I work for £30ph which doesn't strike me as a bad rate.

steven842

Re: Price
« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2008, 03:51:59 pm »
a building that size would depend on how dirty the windows and  roof are to start with, this would take more time, factor this into the price over the period of contract  .

£80 for a building that size is crazy!  no less than £200 for windows all round , roof is a different matter

If they are now asking you to re-price the job because the last window cleaner quoted £80 and he realised he under sold him self and regreted doing  the job , i would say  put the same price you previously put in .


Good luck  :)