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Mark_P

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Advice Welcomed!
« on: September 24, 2008, 11:18:04 pm »
Hi All, I have recently been made redundent and have decided to get into carpet cleaning. Just completed the prochem 2 day course and picked up a second hand prochem steampro powermax 2000 extraction machine. Any advice for getting a new business of the ground? Do most people go ltd or sole trader?  The course made me nervous to say the least with regards to shrinkage, browning etc! How often does this happen?Thanks in advance. any advice welcome!
Mark

Jim_77

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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2008, 11:51:31 pm »
It happens as often as you are careless :)

Have a good long browse through this forum and others to get the feel of the industry.  Now isn't the best time to get into it I don't think, many long-established carpet cleaners are finding it a little more of a struggle now than they were 12 months ago.

Start off sole trader, less hassle and overheads to begin with.  Don't think for one minute that your Prochem course is the be-all and end-all of training requirements.  Yes it does give you factual knowledge about the business but it is also a marketing tool for Prochem, the same as with any other course run by a supplier or manufacturer.

The best teaching you can get is to shadow an experienced cleaner for however many days you can wangle, or maybe several of them, but don't expect someone too close to you to be too willing ;)

from edge2edge

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2008, 10:02:41 am »
And i assume you wont be trading under carpet monkey.Good idea to let the guys on here know where you intend to trade from.Regards Alan (SWINDON)


Cathedral Floorcare

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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2008, 01:59:00 pm »
Hi Mark,

I was on the Prochem course too, but I'm planning on going to the NCCA course in Leicester in November, as it looks a bit more comprehensive, and the Prochem course left me with plenty of questions to answer. Good luck with the new business.  ;)

Chris

Dave_Lee

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2008, 03:20:38 pm »
Best advice I can give is "Be patient". Dont expect to be busy on a regular basis for at least a few years. The first two will be particularly slow, and it will take you at least this long to start to get a proper feel for the business. I am coming up to 30 years of full time carpet cleaning and I still shudder when I think of those early years, even though there was hardly any competition then. It takes TIME! There should be someone from the forum that would let you spend a day with them as an observer, I have had guys with me for the day, but you are too far away from Lancashire, so count me out.. Choose someone out of your operating area who has been doing the job for more than 5 years and has done the recognisewd courses rather than wholly self taught.
Dave.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."

mark_roberts

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2008, 11:04:38 pm »
Why carpet cleaning theres much easier ways in business.

Mark

craigp

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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2008, 08:45:49 am »
Best advice I can give is "Be patient". Dont expect to be busy on a regular basis for at least a few years. The first two will be particularly slow, and it will take you at least this long to start to get a proper feel for the business. I am coming up to 30 years of full time carpet cleaning and I still shudder when I think of those early years, even though there was hardly any competition then. It takes TIME! There should be someone from the forum that would let you spend a day with them as an observer, I have had guys with me for the day, but you are too far away from Lancashire, so count me out.. Choose someone out of your operating area who has been doing the job for more than 5 years and has done the recognisewd courses rather than wholly self taught.
Dave.

great advice there! I'd even say longer to before you will make a living so to speak (3 or 4 yrs) I have been going 6 years and only the past 2 have been making a good living, if I had big morgage to pay those first few years I would have never made it, It was a real struggle!!   

Jim_77

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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2008, 02:05:53 am »
The thing is Mark, every day there must be hundreds of people who have their employment ended or some other circumstance come up where they look to go out and work for themselves.  Many choose carpet cleaning because they've either seen it being done or heard from someone else about it and thought it "looks easy".

Unfortunately the vast majority of these guys have good intentions - if not a little romantic - but never really get out of first gear.  I don't know what it's like with other trades but certainly with carpet cleaning with as little as a few hundred pounds you can be working out of the back of your car with a naff machine, second-rate products and absolutely no knowledge of either how to do the work properly or run a business effectively.

That's why so many new starts fail, because they have only looked at the superficial element and not thought more deeply about what they are doing.

The bottom line is that our industry is becoming more and more flooded with cheap cleaners who do naff work for low prices.  This damages the industry in the long run.  If a customer has a job done by a bodger and he leaves their carpet wet for 2 days, knocks a vase over and the carpet stinks afterwards, that's it... we're all like that and nothing can convince that customer otherwise.  They'll be using a vax for the rest of their lives and telling their friends and family that all carpet cleaning companies are a rip-off.

If you've chosen to go down this avenue and uphold a commitment to providing quality and developing a thriving business, go for it mate don't hesitate for one minute.  All you need to do is get as much training from recognised bodies as you possibly can, and get yourself out with a PROPER carpet cleaner who won't teach you bad habits :)

However if you fall into the trap of going for the bargain-basement approach, you'll be squabbling for the scraps along with all the other two-bob chancers around you.  Their only selling point is low price, and of course the less money they're taking the less obliged and less willing they are to do a good job.  You only have to sell yourself to a customer once if you do a good job, after that they'll just ring you up and book you in for next time.

Here's something to think about... Roughly 50% of the work I do is repeat business and another 25% is referrals - you don't have to work hard at all to get these jobs, the hard work has already been done!  I've bent over backwards to impress customers and it's really started to pay off these last few years.  It takes time and LOTS of self-discipline but it is so worth it.

Your business needs to be constantly growing.  Whether that's 10% year on year or 100%, but it needs to grow - even if it stays the same it is effectively shrinking due to inflation and increasing costs of overheads and consumables.

Growing your business is all about marketing and sales.  You could be the best carpet cleaner in the world but if you don't understand marketing or how to make a sale you'll be really disadvantaged.  Selling is based on human emotions, tap into them and you'll make sales, doesn't matter whether it's houses, cars, washing up bowls or carpet cleaning.

(rambling now, very tired, just got in :-\ )

I know this sounds like a sermon but I'm just trying to convey the importance of the right approach.  It's easy to buy a cheap machine and chuck a few leaflets out but it's also very easy to go out of business because you haven't thought it out properly.  Keep asking questions but be prepared to get answers you don't want to hear at some point!

derek west

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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2008, 12:00:31 pm »
my only advice is this.
be prepared to make a loss in your first year. maybe your second year too.
keep track of all your advertising and where your calls are coming from.
dont believe any one on here who says this marketing is right or that marketing is right, it varies all over the country so unfortunately its trial and error. what works for one won't neccessarily work for you.
put your customer first and if it takes 4 hours to do a job that you quoted 2 hours for then so be it.
keep training, allthough you know most of it, the more its drummed into your head the more confident you feel when doing your surveys.
dont compete on price, sell yourself and the pride you have in your work rather than "you are cheap".
hope this helps and good luck
derek

Doug Holloway

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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2008, 12:11:44 pm »
Hi Guys

Carpet Monkey, whereabouts are you in Essex, there are lots of us on here and we don't bite ;)

It is howver a very competitive area and I would suggest you think long and hard about how much committment you have to making a CC business work, it can be done but is much harder thatn most think.

Cheers

Doug

Mark_P

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Re: Advice Welcomed!
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2008, 12:16:16 pm »
thanks guys sound advice. Ive got quite a good business head thankfully although admitedly carpet cleaning is certainly a new venture for me. I certainly take on board what you say about the lower end of the market with regards to the pricing jim. im certainly not planning on being a cheap in and out job as i understand what you mean about referal and repeat business being the best approach to expansion. I have a 2 year old pro chem powermax and intend to use multi pro, prespay gold, extraction pro and fibre and fabric rinse as the main chemicals. I intend to get a new machine once i have the funds available however due to my current financial situation i intended to start of chaper with a good machine and build from there. I'm looking to trade around havering doug amoung many others! i hope my customer service and going the extra mile will impress enough to secure business. i have been an estate agent in the past (dont hold it against me please!) and my job was to visit customes homes, produce a valuation and do a presentation on why we are the best company to use so i believe this will be a continuation of that process which i am very confident with. I will certinly be looking into additional training though as knowledge together with hard work is the foundation of all success. thanks again.
Mark

Doug Holloway

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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2008, 01:29:06 pm »
Hi Mark

Do a search for carpet cleaning havering.

I get lots of enquiries from that area via the Havering and Romford sites.

Cheers

Doug

james roffey

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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2008, 06:47:12 pm »
The advice from Jim Neal was inspired, i am just getting started and trying to do it "right" i know it will be difficult but i want to be able to provide a service that gets me repeat work i dont see the point of doing it any other way.

craigp

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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2008, 07:34:06 pm »
Thought we had to use a real name now, or is he really called 'carpet monkey'?

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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2008, 07:43:43 pm »
Craig

I think it's preferred but not mandatory, TMs have the right idea, ruled with an iron fist,   and Billy. ;D

craigp

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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2008, 10:00:06 pm »
Always arguing on there though Mike which drives people away.

garyj

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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2008, 10:48:24 pm »
Mike, who is the bloke in your avator, it looks like a young Joe Hatton  ;D