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L.J.Thorpe

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going Limited
« on: March 23, 2008, 10:26:08 pm »
just after a few pointers ;D
is there a level of turnover that is needed to justify it ,or is that not a factor?
what things can the company pay for(vehicles,mortgage,etc?)
does it cost?,and if so how much
any general info or opinions welcome  ;D
cheers

jonah

Re: going Limited
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2008, 10:27:43 pm »
That python sketch ......... what is it ?

L.J.Thorpe

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Re: going Limited
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2008, 10:32:49 pm »
no idea,i liked the caption ;D
topic is "setting up limited company" ;)no offence old chap

Davo

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Re: going Limited
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2008, 11:06:57 pm »
Major benefit of limited company is that the company is viewed as a seperate legal entity, debts belong to the company rather than an individual. However for most limited companies( young ones) directors guarantee loans made to the company, which negates the benefit of limited liability status etc.

Auditing must be carried out by a chartered accountant so your accountancy bill is higher.

Cost, you can buy an off the shell limited co for about £99

The limited company can take out loans, mortgages etc etc

Depends on what you want to do as to whether it would benefit you.


Mark

Andrew44

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Re: going Limited
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2008, 11:22:43 pm »
just after a few pointers ;D
is there a level of turnover that is needed to justify it ,or is that not a factor?
what things can the company pay for(vehicles,mortgage,etc?)
does it cost?,and if so how much
any general info or opinions welcome  ;D
cheers

The mainn advantage is that you are NOT the company and therefore are not liable for any debts that can't be paid.  It's like the company is the chair that you are using.  If it breaks then you get a new one (form new co.)  As a sole trader (doesn't mean you are the SOLE trader but that you are the company and it  is you), if it goes broke then so do you as you are the co.  Advise I had was not to go LTD as there was never going to be the high cost incurred (hence risk) in the game I'm in esp as  we don't have a high or long cash flows or high set-up costs. 

matt

Re: going Limited
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2008, 11:54:42 pm »
i know alot of builders who go ltd, infact i had 1 based in the caymen isles in the mid 90's ( cost me 150 quid to setup )

the only point i can see thats any good is its not you, you can run up debts that are no way connected to you, thus your house etc etc is safe

i here Belize is the place these days though


Paul Coleman

Re: going Limited
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2008, 05:56:10 am »

Auditing must be carried out by a chartered accountant so your accountancy bill is higher.


Is the above still the case?  I remember the rules were relaxed a couple of years ago but can't recall the finer details.

Ian Rochester

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Re: going Limited
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2008, 05:58:29 am »
There are several main reasons for going Ltd, here are the ones we looked at:

1.  As a sole trader if you are making a good profit (currently over £36,400) then you will hit the upper tax limits and start paying 40% on your earnings.  However, if you are a ltd company then you pay yourself a weekly/monthly salary at basic rate tax and take the remainder as a dividend from the business and pay corporation rate tax on it at 20%, hence there is an obvious tax saving reason for going ltd if you are hitting the upper tax levels.

2.  If the business goes t!ts up, then as a sole trader you are liable for all debts and you could lose your house, savings, assets as a result.  However, as a ltd company you as an employee/director of that company are safe(ish!)

3.  If you are dealing with commercial, then there is "possibly" more credence in your business if you are ltd, when people see ltd, they thing you are a big safe business, the reality may be completely different!

4   As a sole trader you just need to put a tax return in every year declaring your earnings, which only the taxman gets to see.  However, as a ltd company you need to submit a full set of accounts to Companies House each year, which every man and his dog can see (for a small charge).  The costs of preparing a set of accounts are obviously a lot more expensive than simply getting your accountant to do your tax returns.  As far as I am aware auditing is not required anymore for private ltd companies.

We went ltd last year and for us it was a no brainer, if you are a one-man band then it will be a tougher decision, get an accountant to look at your accounts and he should help you make a decision.  

creweexcel

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Re: going Limited
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2008, 07:20:13 am »
pyhon schetch is , is this the right room for an argument?i,ve told you once ,no you havent, yes i have.

Davo

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Re: going Limited
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2008, 07:30:28 am »
As a limited company your open to public scrutiny too. I can see each years audited accounts  of your business.






Mark

Pj

Re: going Limited
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2008, 08:34:27 am »

L.J.Thorpe

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Re: going Limited
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2008, 09:49:23 am »
quite appropriate then ;D
There are several main reasons for going Ltd, here are the ones we looked at:

1.  As a sole trader if you are making a good profit (currently over £36,400) then you will hit the upper tax limits and start paying 40% on your earnings.  However, if you are a ltd company then you pay yourself a weekly/monthly salary at basic rate tax and take the remainder as a dividend from the business and pay corporation rate tax on it at 20%, hence there is an obvious tax saving reason for going ltd if you are hitting the upper tax levels.

 
thats the bit i am interested in,cheers lionheart,anyone got any links to sites with info?

matt

Re: going Limited
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2008, 10:21:13 am »
Fraud, good to see you are earning a honest living!

Ewan  ;D

is that in reply to my post  ::) ::)

if it is, what have i mentioned that is fraud ? ? ? ?

in the building game, you have a lot of outlay ( materials etc etc ) and you get accounts are building suppliers, following now, not sure thats fraud yet ( correct me if im wrong ) if your ltd these debts are not seured on yourself ( house in the norm ) any fraud here yet ? ? ? ? ? if things go worng, you dont lose your personal assets, spot any fraud here ? ?? ?


Moderator David@stives

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Re: going Limited
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2008, 10:30:58 am »
My accountant said a big no no as the tax benefits are not as big as you first think.

ok cleaning

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Re: going Limited
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2008, 11:00:07 am »
i have  been runnig my business as a ltd last 4 years and very pleased my accounted suggested and i said yes it sounds better to my customers and potential customers aswell gives my business more credibility and saves me tax too

matt

Re: going Limited
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2008, 03:33:26 pm »
Fraud, good to see you are earning a honest living!

Ewan  ;D

is that in reply to my post  ::) ::)

if it is, what have i mentioned that is fraud ? ? ? ?

in the building game, you have a lot of outlay ( materials etc etc ) and you get accounts are building suppliers, following now, not sure thats fraud yet ( correct me if im wrong ) if your ltd these debts are not seured on yourself ( house in the norm ) any fraud here yet ? ? ? ? ? if things go worng, you dont lose your personal assets, spot any fraud here ? ?? ?




Matt, not aimed at you but at the perception of going ltd.
Just because you go ltd, all of a sudden people seem to think they can get away with allsorts. Just means they don’t have a clue really.

Having a job, you have responsibility.
Being self employed, you have more responsibility for yourself.
Setting up a company you will have even more. (Or why are you doing it,) ultimately we all get paid for responsibility and how much we are willing to take on.

Not what you can get away with.

Ewan  :)



i just spoke about what i knew from the building game, and as i said, the most popular reason is that the person doesnt risk having his assets ( house ) taken off him