I'm a newbie as you put it, I'm a tiler going into hard floor and carpet cleaning to run along side each other. I did the prochem courses, and i disagree about you guys giving to much info away. Its not as easy as getting cc machine and reading all the posts on here and going out and doing it, you have to get the work, do it properly and get a good reputation and you cant get that of the web. And also about newbies contributing to the forum, i will when i can, as i did this morning on this site regarding a tiling problem. So please don't give us new guys a hard time we have to start somewhere, and OK we will ask silly questions but please humour us. Thanks again guys for all your very useful information and help. Sherco