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Alex Gardiner

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Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2008, 07:45:18 am »


Im not sure tape should be considered  an accessory in this case Jeff.


With the Super-Lite2 I do not recommend tape as an accessory. We use these poles ourselves all of the time and no tape ever goes near our sections! If some find that it suits their working method better with tape then as it is their pole they can fit this if they prefer it, but the vast majority of S2 users (and yes there are a lot of these out there) never have need of this after market addition.

I will be talking to Shiner today on the phone and we will sort this situation out. Sections should not stick together. If necessary replacement sections will be sent out to rectify this situation for him. These sections are hand finished in the factory, sometimes there can be variations in the finishing surface or weave which may explain why this one joint has stuck together. Whatever the reason we will look into it and sort it out.

In testing we have taken sections and with a wooden mallet have hammered the two sections together until they are tighter than would ever be achieved during normal use. We were still able to twist these sections apart. Perhaps I ought to produce a short video on how to easily separate the sections. I will look into this.

Kev R

Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2008, 07:57:34 am »


Im not sure tape should be considered  an accessory in this case Jeff.


With the Super-Lite2 I do not recommend tape as an accessory. We use these poles ourselves all of the time and no tape ever goes near our sections! If some find that it suits their working method better with tape then as it is their pole they can fit this if they prefer it, but the vast majority of S2 users (and yes there are a lot of these out there) never have need of this after market addition.

I will be talking to Shiner today on the phone and we will sort this situation out. Sections should not stick together. If necessary replacement sections will be sent out to rectify this situation for him. These sections are hand finished in the factory, sometimes there can be variations in the finishing surface or weave which may explain why this one joint has stuck together. Whatever the reason we will look into it and sort it out.

In testing we have taken sections and with a wooden mallet have hammered the two sections together until they are tighter than would ever be achieved during normal use. We were still able to twist these sections apart. Perhaps I ought to produce a short video on how to easily separate the sections. I will look into this.

Although I am not a fan of modular poles, I have never used the the Superlite 2 pole.

Alex in no way are my comments intended as a dig at your pole. I have used modular systems in the past and find them difficult in use, fragile and that they stick together. Through experience I prefer telescopic poles. Maybe when I visit Windex in March you will convert me however I am looking forward to the release of your new telescopic pole and I do hope its as good as it sounds.

Kevin Red

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2008, 08:01:47 am »
No probs  :)

You're not very far away from us.  If you ever want to come down and see the S2 in action or the new SL-X, just give us a ring.  We won't actually be at Windex but the SL-X may make an appearance courtesy of a distributor.

Kev R

Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2008, 08:05:36 am »
Hi Alex,

Thank you for the offer, I am sure I will make a visit especially to see the new SL-X.

Roy Harding

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Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2008, 05:58:03 pm »
Hi Alex

When will the SLX be for sale?

Roy

WayneThomass

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Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2008, 09:45:39 pm »
Wayne, polite question,  have you tried working any current telescopic 60ft pole other than the modular S2 ?
One day soon there may  be a 6.5oz brush.

Quote. "This has caused me to wonder why natural stops weren't included in the mould for the pole sections - or are they just not made that way? By Shiner.

If you think it through, its a natural thought but if you do fit a permanent stop or screw on the pole then as the pole wears it will become loose and spin -  say after 2 years. The fixed stop cannot be moved, so you need another pole. But tape can be removed and used lower down.

Kev,
Rolls Royce apart, do you put accessories in a new car. The tape is a neccessary accessory much like a tom tom if you drive a lot, if not you dont need one.



Hello Jeff,

I am forever using a facelift pole with an ionics gooseneck (as it's lighter and allows me to fit a Tucker brush) for all my work up to 45 ft and an Ionics ergolite carbon with a Tucker brush fitted for the awkward reach 40-45 ft jobs that require a stiffer pole.
I also used a Tucker pole (12 ft sections cut down to 10ft so that it will fit inside my van), with the last 3 sections at 6ft to adjust the height of the pole easily whilst raised up a building.
I'll only use the supalite pole if I'm going higher than 45ft, but shy away from higher work because it's difficult trying to pick a suitable day where wind conditions are near perfect to use this pole. I also shy away from using this pole because a lot of the buildings I clean I find I am very restricted with ground space to stand back at a decent angle to use the pole correctly, because I would have the problem of standing in the middle of busy traffic roads. Also trying to add/remove sections can be awkward and inconvenient at times which is why I prefer telescopics for two main reasons: they are easy to raise/lower and because there is a bit of weight to them which I prefer when working in gusty locations.

Jeff Brimble

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Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2008, 10:46:14 pm »
Yep Wayne,

working almost vertically with modulars does mean that you cannot often get the angle to apply pressure and as you say the modulars  lengths are often wrong. Sin of sins  ::), Since the confinement of some of the 88ft job I have now cut down an old spare cracked extension to shorten it to about 3ft and also keep  bits of the Zensorflex to do the same higher up the taper.

The brush angles change when vertical over pavements and in confined areas with handrails and barriers etc acting as an obstacle course when you have your head screwed right back, so I use brushes with soft splay, brushes with bristles at near vertical angles and use many and various angle adapters, one goes at 90 degrees over 14" cills when working vertical. At that angle you just sort of "feel" the glass and trying to find the bottom of the frame.

Yes the telescopics are better in the situations you describe. So I use the short section as above. I carry all my gear on the elecy golf trolley so the sections are at hand. I used to have the 8ft section Ergolites and in close confinement had to stand on steps to alter the height. Also appreciate that the facelift also comes into its own.
We need so much stuff now in our "arsenal"

Wayne Thomas

Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2008, 10:58:43 pm »
Jeff,
I understand you completely and can relate to what you have mentioned. I have never tried your 'bog brush', (excuse the term), style brush although I can see the advantages of it.
To be perfectly honest I don't like the Bentley brush because it's flocked and doesn't splay on the glass. Also, quite a few customers were moaning that the sharp edges of the brush were scratching the sills. I checked for myself and the brush really does scratch the sills, so I don't use it.
I may try the supalite with a bog style brush similar to yours again to compare. I just wish I could fit the Unger Carbon Tec lightweight brush on the supalight pole with a swivel gooseneck as that would be ideal.

Jeff Brimble

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Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2008, 11:08:35 pm »
Snap, At Shallow angles the Bentley stands of the glass like a wire brush, and also holds the dirt. I surform the edges off my brushes paticulary the sides because they allow more splay to get in the corners.

Only just done the Hedgehog bog brush so no time to evaluate. But if you do gutters and soffits etc it might be good.

Are  the carbon tech bristles soft and short ?

Wayne Thomas

Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2008, 11:33:08 pm »
The Unger carbon tec is very similar in appearance to the Tucker but much lighter in comparison. There's less bristles, so it allows probably twice as much water through. The bristles are mono filament and the brush splays a lot in all the right directions so probably ideal in principal if I could work out a way of attaching it to the supalite pole. I may have to glue an Ionics gooseneck on and attach the brush head to that.
With an Ionics multipole brush the brush splays in one direction only, it's very floppy and heavier. Ionics commercial brush head is good for telescopics but too heavy for the supalite.
I thought about cutting the edges off the bentley brush like you've done but I wear them out within a month or two. All the bristles just fall out so I wouldn't want to waste time faffling around cutting the bristles. I haven't given up looking for an alternative yet.

s.w.c

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Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2008, 11:48:32 pm »
wd40 works a treat I've used it for some time now, i learnt it way back i use to use it on my motor on the black bits used to make them shine a treat and water used to run off it like lightning, that's when i realised it was a good water repellent , so it made sense to use it on my first modular pole in its prototype stage cause mine got stuck too but since the use of wd its never happened again the tape trick is spot on Jeff trust you to let that one out of the bag

Jeff Brimble

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Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2008, 07:42:34 am »
All credit to you Smithys.
How do you use it and does it leave a sticky residue or does it dry off leaving a coating of some sort ?

Captain Scarlet

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Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2008, 12:39:51 pm »
It is easy to modify a Tucker/Carbontec unger brush for a Super-lite 2 or any other pole with a vikan style thread. Buy the Brush then go and buy a thread plate from here or your local hardware shop. Simply screw it and glue it to the brush then jet the brush in whatever way you like, Luke

http://www.cleanstore.co.uk/products/Product.asp?ID=2074



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Jeff Brimble

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Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2008, 01:18:32 pm »
"Thread plate" thats one to learn off you Luke. Seen the heavy galvanised, no good. Will try one.  Now where did I put my Vikan/cleantech/ Unger alu adapter.

Captain Scarlet

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Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2008, 02:06:38 pm »
I wouldnt recommend putting a thread plate on the larger brushes, but a 11inch one will be fine, Luke
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Wayne Thomas

Re: Separating Superlite 2 sections
« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2008, 06:50:49 pm »
Thank-you Luke.