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marc

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microbore v minibore ??????????????
« on: November 20, 2007, 05:19:18 pm »
microbore 11mm outer 6mm inner v minibore 13.5 outer 8mm inner anyone like to share veiws or comments i personally have used both and have not seen or felt any difference between them but i was talking to another forum member today about this as he is going to buy a new reel and hose ,hope this helps kev aka cotton bud                       marc

macmac

Re: microbore v minibore ??????????????
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2007, 05:45:11 pm »
 i've never heard anyone have problems with minibore & now use it myself but there is always someone having pressure/flow problems with microbore.
It seems any pump will work with minibore @ any length but microbore seems to need specific pump pressure to length of hose etc.
So, for the sake of a MASIVE 2mm (oh, just think of all that extra weight & how un-professional it will look ::)) minibore is the no-brainer to me ;)

tony

marc

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Re: microbore v minibore ??????????????
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2007, 10:34:25 pm »
thanks for your response tony thought it would of had a few more posts than this

Jon-scwindows

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Re: microbore v minibore ??????????????
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2007, 10:46:30 pm »
im using microbore- at first wanted to use minibore but offcourse they sent me microbore by accident        - so i kept it. The pressure seems fine and with my 100psi pump and varistream it works well, i only have the varistream at about 10-12 oclock most of the time, works well but will probably fail on me this week!

Nathanael Jones

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Re: microbore v minibore ??????????????
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2007, 10:54:46 pm »
I phoned up Arthur at surecleansystems.com to order some, and he told me they only stock minibore these days because of all the problems they had with microbore. For the sake of 2mm, why take the chance?

Alex Gardiner

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Re: microbore v minibore ??????????????
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2007, 07:57:43 am »
Microbore every time.  If you use the correct pump set up then microbore gives you a perfect flow rate.  It is quite a bit lighter than minibore and minibore nearly always needs some kind of flow control to reduce the wasteful flow rate. We stock both microbore and minibore and microbore outsells minibore by about 25 to 1.

macmac

Re: microbore v minibore ??????????????
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2007, 01:12:57 pm »
Microbore every time.  If you use the correct pump set up then microbore gives you a perfect flow rate.  It is quite a bit lighter than minibore and minibore nearly always needs some kind of flow control to reduce the wasteful flow rate. We stock both microbore and minibore and microbore outsells minibore by about 25 to 1.

18ft poles way outsell 24ft poles but we all know which is the better choice, the 24ft by far.

(do people use pumps with no flow control?)

tony

Alex Gardiner

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Re: microbore v minibore ??????????????
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2007, 01:19:07 pm »
For most people the 18ft is the 'better choice' not the 24ft.  We sell them in a ratio of about 10 to 1.  An 18ft pole will generally be lighter, more compact and still will do 95% of all standard domestic work.

However, if you could get a 26ft pole that was more compact, lighter and stiffer than an 18ft pole, then it would be the 'better choice' but only if the user needed to go above an 18ft reach.

macmac

Re: microbore v minibore ??????????????
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2007, 01:35:50 pm »
For most people the 18ft is the 'better choice' not the 24ft.  We sell them in a ratio of about 10 to 1.  An 18ft pole will generally be lighter, more compact and still will do 95% of all standard domestic work.

However, if you could get a 26ft pole that was more compact, lighter and stiffer than an 18ft pole, then it would be the 'better choice' but only if the user needed to go above an 18ft reach.

I think wfp newbies are led to believe that an 18ft pole is what they need but when you study past posts on here you realise that when that person then buys a new pole, now armed with experience, 95% go for a 24ft one.
When i started i was advised to go for an 18ft pole, i quickly learned that this was the worst advise i had ever been given (a well known main supplier too).

To me it sounds like-
 microbore = need a specific pump & hope you get enough flow, it will work, but under specific criteria- psi, length of hose etc.

 minibore = no risk, fit a flow control valve & enjoy any amount of flow you desire.

tony


Alex Gardiner

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Re: microbore v minibore ??????????????
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2007, 02:01:14 pm »
We don't advise people what size to get (unless they ask us specifically) - they just come back and buy 18fts in large quantities!  A large percentage of our 18ft sales are repeat customers.

With regard to microbore versus minibore, there is a very real weight difference.  Minibore reels dry weigh quite a bit more than microbore reels and when full of water weigh over 40% more than the equivalent reel of microbore full of water.  For some people this will be significant (including myself - my aim being to work as easily and quickly as possible).  If you don't lift your reel in and out of the vehicle than it might not be such a big issue.

Personally, when setting up a new system, I would rather match all of my components properly so that everything is designed to work with each other, not having to rely on an electric unit to artificially make it match your set up.

But, like a lot of this game, it's down to what works for you and personal preference which is why we stock both types of hose and fittings.

Re: microbore v minibore ??????????????
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2007, 02:31:08 pm »
Any luck on the 'hot' hose Alex?Hose to reel I have had to use heater hose.

I use mini because that's what I was given but I can see the benefits of micro.

Re: microbore v minibore ??????????????
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2007, 02:33:04 pm »
Sorry just read other post yes 100m would be good- price is not a big factor.

neil100

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Re: microbore v minibore ??????????????
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2007, 10:00:37 am »
I use 2 reels of microbore and its fine, I have neverhad any problems in 2 years and the flow rate is spot on.

I mostly have about 90 mtrs unreeled when working so I want the hose to be as light as possible when reeling back in.Microbore is lighter so I use thatas a matterof choice. I dont use varistream so I have never had a problem with flow rate.

I run 2x 60psi pumps, But I am thinking of trying a 100psi pump to get more pressure within the hose as I get odd kinks in the hose now and again. My thinking being that with more pressure the hose will not kink.

But if I have one pump  with 100psi and the other at 60psi which both share the same feed hose to the pumps.Will the 100psi pump starve the 60psi of more water? Anyone know?

Nel.

I use an 18' pole as a matter of choice. I have 24' poles as well but I only use these when I have too.Some days I will never use a 24' pole. Why use a pole that weighs heavier then a lighter one. Yes you have to carry more poles but that increases the lifespan of the poles and if you ever damage one you can still carry on work with the other pole their by loseing no money. Commonsense to me.

Alex Gardiner

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Re: microbore v minibore ??????????????
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2007, 10:10:49 am »

But if I have one pump  with 100psi and the other at 60psi which both share the same feed hose to the pumps.Will the 100psi pump starve the 60psi of more water? Anyone know?


I have always run 2 pumps set ups off of a single 1/2 inch feed from the tank.  Never had any problems.

groundhog

Re: microbore v minibore ??????????????
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2007, 09:31:57 pm »
I have always used microbore, and find it excellent, the flow rate is perfect with a 100psi pump. And I always go for an 18ft pole which is perfect fo about 90% of my work, if I need to get higher I also have a 24ft and a 36ft pole, but I certainly would not want to use the 24ft all the time as the 18ft is so much lighter!!