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xxmattyxx

Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2007, 07:56:11 am »


what flex?!!! it does have a bit but this pole is fantastic

Luke, can you tell me, is that you working with in that picture?

Alex Gardiner

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Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2007, 07:57:13 am »
It's my hunky husband  :)

Mrs A

xxmattyxx

Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2007, 08:03:34 am »
Hmm, well, thing is, that pic looks photo-shopped to me.


The top 1/3rd of the pole looks in far too clear contrast by comparison to the rest of the picture. The pole appears to be far too clear considering how far up it is and distant from the camera. In short it looks like a line drawn on a pc's picture editing software. Much too clear.

Also, why is the pole lighter in colour where it pases the brick-work above the arch behind it, as that brickwork is also lighter, makes me wonder because of that too.


Matt

Alex Gardiner

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Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2007, 08:45:37 am »
Hmm, well, thing is, that pic looks photo-shopped to me.


The top 1/3rd of the pole looks in far too clear contrast by comparison to the rest of the picture. The pole appears to be far too clear considering how far up it is and distant from the camera. In short it looks like a line drawn on a pc's picture editing software. Much too clear.

Also, why is the pole lighter in colour where it pases the brick-work above the arch behind it, as that brickwork is also lighter, makes me wonder because of that too.


Matt

What complete rubbish!

The picture was taken on a Samsung U600 3.2mp camera phone by one of my workmates. This was then uploaded to my computer and all that was done to it was it was cropped to make the whole picture slightly smaller. I do not even own Photo-Shop. Zoom in closely and you will be able to see that it has not been enhanced in any way.

The reason that it looks so straight is that it is propped against the glass at the top. Unlike some other firms posed pictures though it is completely ready for work. It has the hose fitted to it and the hose is even full of water, as I am actually using the pole.

Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2007, 08:50:33 am »
Hmm, well, thing is, that pic looks photo-shopped to me.


The top 1/3rd of the pole looks in far too clear contrast by comparison to the rest of the picture. The pole appears to be far too clear considering how far up it is and distant from the camera. In short it looks like a line drawn on a pc's picture editing software. Much too clear.

Also, why is the pole lighter in colour where it pases the brick-work above the arch behind it, as that brickwork is also lighter, makes me wonder because of that too.


Matt
I would say thats shadows making the top of the pole darker not editing in photoshop., maybe just maybe it is just a good pic, I get them sometimes  ;)

xxmattyxx

Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2007, 08:59:23 am »
What complete rubbish!

Calm down.

I was mearly an observation, Luke, posted the pic, anyway, I was asking him, for all I knew he could have got the pic from any site on the net, it may be any ol' run-of-the-mill pole; and IMO the observations are what I see.

Matt

Alex Gardiner

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Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2007, 09:08:40 am »
What complete rubbish!

Calm down.

..........and IMO the observations are what I see.

Matt


Well I was pointing out that your observations are complete rubbish. As this picture is taken from my retail website and is being used to promote a product (Super-Lite), it is quite reasonable to defend its authenticity as otherwise I could be done under the Trade Description Act.

ronnie paton

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Alex Gardiner

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Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2007, 02:18:48 pm »
alex what is the pole like at 60ft?? is it still as stiff???

As I mentioned earlier the pole does look stiffer than it is due to the top resting against the window. 60ft is only another 4 sections on the bottom, as the pole in the picture is a 40ft Super-Lite. The sections that have the most flex are the (from the top) No.2, No.3 and No.4 so these are not affected by more extensions below, the base sections are the most rigid of all of the sections. The one thing that you need be careful of when using these type of poles at 60ft is wind strength, because they are so light a strong wind will exert quite a lot of force on the pole.

The majority of the Super-Lites that we have sold are the 55 and 60ft reach versions. The great thing about them is that if you only need the full reach for occasional work you have still got the rest of the pole for lower work.

Captain Scarlet

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Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2007, 04:06:00 pm »
I'm sorry but I also do work restoring old photographs on Photoshop and I can tell a photoshoped picture instatly, that picture is clean. I also have a Super-lite and that is what it is like against a building, its brilliant. Thats actually quite a big accusation as it comes under false advertising laws!!! Luke
Ffenest ( est 2007 ) is a fully insured premium quality window cleaning service based at Llandderfel near Bala. All our work is guaranteed, rain or shine, year round.

xxmattyxx

Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #50 on: November 23, 2007, 04:31:54 pm »
I'm sorry but I also do work restoring old photographs on Photoshop and I can tell a photoshoped picture instatly, that picture is clean. I also have a Super-lite and that is what it is like against a building, its brilliant. Thats actually quite a big accusation as it comes under false advertising laws!!! Luke

It isnt 'quite a big accusation' at all.

It APPEARS to me to be a manipulated image, thats all, nothing else, Im not suggesting anything else. NOTHING !!
ZILCH !! NOUGHT !! BUGGER ALL!!

Theres manipulated images all over the internet, it DOES NOT mean that those that post them are in breach of any law, it means theyve posted a manipulated picture on the internet. Which isnt illegal.

Oh btw, it still doesnt look quite right to me.

BUT thats just my opinion, which also isnt illegal.

Matt

Alex Gardiner

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Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #51 on: November 23, 2007, 05:25:43 pm »

Oh btw, it still doesnt look quite right to me.

BUT thats just my opinion, which also isnt illegal.

Matt

No, but it is slanderous.  I realize you are entitled to your opinion, as we all are, but because of what you have said, you have inferred that the photo is not genuine which in turn infers that I am being dishonest or at the very least I am trying to give people a false impression.

Despite my response, assuring the genuineness of the photo, you go on to state that in your opinion the picture has been manipulated.  Questioning someone's integrity, despite their assurances, is not something you can do without expecting a response!

I can categorically state that this picture is not manipulated in any way and I do take offense that you still feel it necessary to question it, even though I have clarified in an earlier post that this picture has not been manipulated in any way.

I may be many things, but I do not try to deceive people and take pride in my honesty.


NWH

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Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #52 on: November 23, 2007, 05:35:39 pm »
You made me jump then Matty i have a job almost identical to that one in the pic.

NWH

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Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #53 on: November 23, 2007, 05:41:42 pm »
Sorry i meant Alex,where`s that job i have a job like that in Kent,it was where Simon Cowell took his group from Xfactor last year.

stevekennedy

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Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #54 on: November 23, 2007, 05:58:03 pm »
The one thing that you need be careful of when using these type of poles at 60ft is wind strength, because they are so light a strong wind will exert quite a lot of force on the pole.

Hi Alex

Is this merely because the pole is diff to handle in the wind or is it because it may break. (No offense meant, just interested)

We are using Ionics ergolite as you would probably expect. But, I am always open to new technology if it will help our business.

xxmattyxx

Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #55 on: November 23, 2007, 05:59:49 pm »
Slander refers to the falsely spoken word.


Liable might be what you really meant  ;D  ;D

As for the photo, I wasnt aware you posted it, it was in Lukes post wasnt it?



Alex Gardiner

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Re: 6 storey windows New
« Reply #56 on: November 23, 2007, 06:22:33 pm »
Sorry i meant Alex,where`s that job i have a job like that in Kent,it was where Simon Cowell took his group from Xfactor last year.

Cornwall. It's a very large and well maintained stately home, we clean the windows every 2 months. Used to take 2 of us 15 hours off of Ladders, it now takes us 3 hours!

The one thing that you need be careful of when using these type of poles at 60ft is wind strength, because they are so light a strong wind will exert quite a lot of force on the pole.

Hi Alex

Is this merely because the pole is diff to handle in the wind or is it because it may break. (No offense meant, just interested)

We are using Ionics ergolite as you would probably expect. But, I am always open to new technology if it will help our business.

It is because they are so light they have very little resistance (inertia) to high winds and as a result they become harder to handle. In high winds I would stick to the Ergo-Lite or just leave the job (which is what I do) until it is more moderate. Having said that I have worked with a Super-Lite at 45ft in a howling gale, where the wind has been so strong that you had to have the pole at 45 degrees into the wind to move it across the building.


Slander refers to the falsely spoken word.


Liable might be what you really meant  ;D  ;D

As for the photo, I wasnt aware you posted it, it was in Lukes post wasnt it?


I might be 'liable' to do anything (ask my wife), but you're right 'libel' is what I should have put.  :)

NWH

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Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #57 on: November 23, 2007, 06:26:52 pm »
The service you have givem me in the past is as good as anyone could of done Alex but i must admit my pole was not as ridgid as that one.

Alex Gardiner

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Re: 6 storey windows
« Reply #58 on: November 23, 2007, 07:02:06 pm »
The service you have givem me in the past is as good as anyone could of done Alex but i must admit my pole was not as ridgid as that one.

As I have mentioned previously on another thread, the brush is propped against the window which makes the pole look stiffer and the photo was taken as I working pulling the pole back down which also will have an effect on the perceived flex. The photo was not really taken to demonstrate its rigidity (an un-propped photo would do that better) but just to show one being used on a real job.

It's a shame that the S2 wasn't the pole for you, but then we are all different (fortunately!).