[ronnie paton]

Im thinking of employing but just wondering which would be best so any advice and experiences you can share would be appreciated.

Im not sure to take them on the books with a salary at first and then add bonuses for good time keeping hitting targets ect??

or employing someone on a self employed basis so if im quiet i dont have to pay them  and dont have to pay for holidays ect

Now if i do the second can i still put there uniform through my expenses and if i get another vihicle can i put that through??

my thanks in advance

[eddie d]

they can not be  self employed if youi are thier sole employer

[ronnie paton]

really??

My account has not made it seem that way.

I also used to dig holes and lay electric cables and was self employed but they paid my tax and that was my only employer

[ronnie paton]

there must be people with more advice on this subject??

[CC Window Cleaning]

It's worth asking your local Inland Revenue Enquiry Office for the facts/truth about this... they aren't as scary as you might imagine and you'll get the right answer.

Ask it in a "for instance" kind of way... like you need to take on some extra help/hands and need to know the best way to do this.

CC

[Central Window Cleaners]

The way I understodd it was that if they work for you more that 2 days a week and do not carryout work for anyone else they are classed as an employee.

[Lizzy]

you probably worked under the Old SC60 scheme like my hubby.

Rules have changed ALOT.

Get proper advice from the Employment Agency if in doubt.

[xpskwindowcleaning]

Basically: -

If you are telling someone what to do and providing them with work, they are an employee.
If they have to go out and find their own work, they are self employed.

If they are paid a regular amount (per hour/day/salary) they are an employee.
If they are paid per job, they are self employed.

If you find people to cover work they can't do, they are an employee.
If they have to find people to cover work they can't do, they're self employed.

If you are supplying the main tools, machinery and materials to do the job they are an employee.
If they are supplying the main tools, machinery and materials they are self employed.

Bearing this in mind, it would be very difficult to find anyone other than another window cleaner to work for you on a self employed basis. As such, anyone you employ will be entitled to basic employment rights, even if you don't give them a contract, as the agreement of them to work for you and you to pay them is an implicit verbal contract in itself.

You can find loads of information at http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life/employment/contracts_of_employment.htm

[Trademark WC]

If anyone person earns more than 3/4 of there monthly income with you they are deemed as employed meaning if you are caught out will have to pay back all the tax on that persons earnings for the duration of the time they have been with you !!

IE big slap in the face !!!

Go on inland rev website they got 5 simple questions to answer and that will put you in the picture !!

So many people in this game have not really got a clue about what is expected from them when it comes to rules and regs.

For instance, if you sub contract work out you are by law required to take out employees liability to cover them even though they may have there own? sounds like bull but its the truth.

If your not sure about this kind of stuff don't ask on this forum as we are not pros seek advice from people within the relevant fields and you won't go wrong.

Rob

[Ian Lancaster]

All good advice, Ronnie, I put my twopenn'orth on "another forum".

Cheers,

Ian