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master cleaner

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Re: facelift pole
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2007, 11:32:28 pm »
Ive heard a lot of good reports about facelift poles but some people dont like the brushes

I think the clamps are quite an important factor as i am on my second set on my ionics ergolite pole >:( in under a year  :o

I will be going to the nec show and will have a look at them all closely

Brett




hi brett
you are based in nottingham facelift are based in chesterfield , why dont you call in and see danny he will show you the poles and answer all your questions.

gary

brett walker

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Re: facelift pole
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2007, 11:46:11 pm »
Ive heard a lot of good reports about facelift poles but some people dont like the brushes

I think the clamps are quite an important factor as i am on my second set on my ionics ergolite pole >:( in under a year  :o

I will be going to the nec show and will have a look at them all closely

Brett




hi brett
you are based in nottingham facelift are based in chesterfield , why dont you call in and see danny he will show you the poles and answer all your questions.

gary

Hi Gary

yes i thought about that but with the show just around the corner im going to look at all the poles but facelift is my favourite at the moment.  Not in any rush at the minute just replaced the clamps on my ionics

Thanks for your help

Brett

JM123

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Re: facelift pole
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2007, 12:29:06 am »
sorry, maybe my post was a little to general - I have had a couple of the facelift poles in to repair (not supplied by us), both poles had broken a clamp (top clamp on one and 3rd clamp on another), anyway, while they are light poles, they certainly didn't seem to be that strong, both customers had brought the poles to me to replace the clamps for standard pole clamps, took a little bit of work to change them but we got it done both times.  I really didn't feel like the poles were worth anything near what they cost - we had previously debated stocking them - we won't now, on examination we don't feel they are worth the money and I certainly don't feel they compare to the Brodex range we stock, hence why we stock the brodex poles and not the facelift.

Don't get me wrong, the facelift is a good pole, way better than exel universal, but not nearly as good as the Brodex range in terms of quality or value for money.

Please don't take offence at this as I'm not disputing how good the facelift poles are - just feel that for the money you don't get a lot.

Sorry.
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Ballymena N.I

U.S. wfp USER

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Re: facelift pole
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2007, 01:50:42 am »
JM123

What are the various sizes that Brodex makes in cf?

What are the weights and what are the prices?

Thanks.
Shawn Gavin
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JM123

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Re: facelift pole
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2007, 02:01:33 am »
I'll e-mail you the list tomorrow, need to compile it for you.
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Ballymena N.I

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Re: facelift pole
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2007, 02:04:33 am »
I found their webpage.  Doesn't list the weights of the poles.

They look alot like the Ionics poles. 

What is different about them?
Shawn Gavin
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Jeff Brimble

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Re: facelift pole New
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2007, 06:36:52 am »
Not allowed to put in links to the cleaning pros site so please excuse a lot of info in this reply. Here are some comparison weights I have been collecting that you may find helpful in your quest.

To shortly go in the A_Z
Unger Alu poles approx weight,   X 6ft  Goose neck/elbow 6 oz Brush 13oz (28cm)
                          culmanative
1 sect.     11 oz                      .312kg                                           
2 sect    1lb               1 lb 11 oz     .765kg
3 sect    1 lb 6 oz       3 lb 1oz                 1.39 kg
4 sect    1 lb 12 oz      4 lb 13 oz               2.18 kg                  24ft
5 sect    2 lb               6 lb 13 oz     3.09 kg           30ft
 
6*         2 lb 8 oz  9 lb    5 oz            4.22 kg
7*         2 lb 8 oz    11 lb 13 oZ           5.35 kg
 
6&7 are made up DIY sect consisting of double ended poles. In use the pole becomes unusable about 40ft due to whip.
 
 
Ergo lite Carbon fibre  X 8ft approx weight. Pole only
 
1 sect     1 lb                      .455 kg
2 sect     1 lb 2 oz       2 lb 2 oz                 .964 kg
3 sect     1 lb 5 oz       3 lb 7 oz                   1.56 kg     24ft
4 sect     1 lb 8 oz       4lb 15 oz                2.34 kg
5 sect     1 lb 11 oz     6 lb 10 oz                3kg
6 sect     1 lb 14 oz     8 lb 8 oz                3.86 kg
7 sect     2 lb      10 lb 8 oz                      4.72 kg
8 sect     2 lb 12 oz    13 lb 4 oz                6.01 kg
     
Facelift (inc pipe gooseneck and brush)
19ft 3 sect 2.24kg glassfibre
24ft 4 sect 2.84
29ft 5 sect 3.38
34ft 8 sect 4.12
34 6 sect  3.08 carbonfibre
44ft 8x6          5.07
54ft 6x8+2x4 7kg
 
 
Featherlite Fishing Polepole
 7 sect  29ft  2lb 7oz/1.3kg   http://d.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=194
15sect 63ft   6lb  2.82kg Inc brush,adjustable elbow.
Now comes with insulated adjustable mid sections to protect against shock.
 
UNGER Carbon Tec provisional weights, thanks to Chris
goose neck and 16 inch brush weighed 2 pounds and 1 section weighed a little under 2 pounds  so 10x 6ft 60ft pole sections weigh 20lbs + brush assembly= 22lbs/9.9kg
 
PureO2 Diamond Back pole 
£101.21 for 5.75ft section 
£78.71 for 3.4ft section 
£63.71 for 1.85 ft section 
£71.21 for brush head 
£5.21 for valve connector 
 
multi pole by Ionics 30ft £189.95 + vat  4.95kg with ionics brush I think brush is extra
 
BRUSH WEIGHTS - Sill brush
So the Vikan is 555gm
Mr Longarm is 540gm   
Kingfisher is 530gm
 
BRUSH WEIGHTS (thanks to Martyn T)
 
Vikan standard 10" 1lb 1oz / 475g 
 
Vikan hi-lo 10" 1lb 6oz/ 620g 
 
R & W Residential 12.5oz/ 350g 
 
R & W commercial 1lb .5oz/ 450g (with gooseneck as wont come off) 
 
All weights approx as using best guess analogue display kitchen scales (cheap)  . 
Under 7oz is incredible, guess i've got a lot of drilling to do, trouble is theres not much of a gap between bristle clumps to target. 
 
Omnipole Dual trim. Omnipole 30cm double trim which weighs 370gm  (just the brush, no jets etc.).   
 
 
Also this Omni reply from Glyn Howard
Several requests have been made regarding the weight of poles,backpack and trolleys.
so here are the weights of Omnipole kit, as you will see the Aircraft alloy PowerPoles are lighter than the carbon fibre equivilent lengths. 
 
PowerPoles
12' 2x 6'=1.2Kg
18' 3 x6'=1.9Kg
24' 4x6'=2Kg
30' 5x6'=3.3 Kg
36' 6x6'=4.2Kg
48' 6x8'=5.5Kg
Carbonfibre poles
48' 6x8'=6.5Kg
60'1x6'4x12'1x6'=7Kg
Fibreglass Poles
12' 2x6'=1.4Kg
24' 4x6'=2.9Kg
Brush head with 12" gooseneck,and all fittings =1Kg
Omni Back pack empty =5.5Kg -full =21.5Kg
Omnitrolley 50 empty =27Kg -full=77Kg
Omnitrolley 125 weight to follow 
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Hope this helps.