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dazmond

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2025, 02:25:26 pm »
Rain forecast here the next few days and its very welcome news.....along with a much needed dip in temperature. My dog doesn't like the heat! She s currently on the bed with me with air con blasting!😎👍.
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simon w

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2025, 08:42:39 am »
Remember the guy's on here who were convinced we'd get lynched for working during lockdown  ;D maybe it'll be the same for cleaning windows during a hosepipe ban, probably get mobbed and our vans set a light  ;D

NBwcs

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2025, 12:16:17 pm »
My biggest concern about a hosepipe ban is mother nature's habit of evening things out, we could be in for a very wet autumn /winter.

dazmond

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2025, 07:34:23 pm »
Remember the guy's on here who were convinced we'd get lynched for working during lockdown  ;D maybe it'll be the same for cleaning windows during a hosepipe ban, probably get mobbed and our vans set a light  ;D

I was working at 9am the very next day after Boris made 'that speech'.....never affected me at all.😄👍
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dazmond

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2025, 07:35:13 pm »
My biggest concern about a hosepipe ban is mother nature's habit of evening things out, we could be in for a very wet autumn /winter.

You worry too much mate!
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AuRavelling79

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2025, 06:58:31 pm »
Remember the guy's on here who were convinced we'd get lynched for working during lockdown  ;D maybe it'll be the same for cleaning windows during a hosepipe ban, probably get mobbed and our vans set a light  ;D

I was working at 9am the very next day after Boris made 'that speech'.....never affected me at all.😄👍

Lie in?
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Bungle

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2025, 08:23:24 pm »
Remember the guy's on here who were convinced we'd get lynched for working during lockdown  ;D maybe it'll be the same for cleaning windows during a hosepipe ban, probably get mobbed and our vans set a light  ;D

I was working at 9am the very next day after Boris made 'that speech'.....

I wasn't. I thought it best to respect the situation and my customers. Money didn't come into it at that time. I went back 3 weeks later when it all started to calm down.
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dazmond

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2025, 10:41:21 pm »
Remember the guy's on here who were convinced we'd get lynched for working during lockdown  ;D maybe it'll be the same for cleaning windows during a hosepipe ban, probably get mobbed and our vans set a light  ;D

I was working at 9am the very next day after Boris made 'that speech'.....

I wasn't. I thought it best to respect the situation and my customers. Money didn't come into it at that time. I went back 3 weeks later when it all started to calm down.

I knew some others window cleaners who had weeks off work too. In hindsight they said they should of just cracked on!👍😄
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Pete Thompson

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2025, 01:01:52 am »
I researched this thoroughly in 2022. This is what I found:

"Hosepipe bans" don't exist anymore, they were replaced by Temporary Use Bans (TUBs)

And they CAN include commercial use, depending on what the water company decides.

But, this is a critical point, the actual law states that in a Temporary Use Ban, there is a statutory exemption for Health and Safety use.  Section 12 of the The Water Use (Temporary Bans) Order 2010 says : (note section 12(2) )

Quote
12.—(1) The category of use in section 76(2)(i) of the Act applies only to the cleaning of the external walls or windows of domestic premises.

(2) Using a hosepipe to clean the walls or windows of domestic premises for health or safety reasons is not to be treated as falling within the category of use in that section.

(3) In that section, “domestic premises” means—

(a)a building used principally as a dwelling or dwellings;

(b)a garage, shed, outbuilding or other building or structure used or enjoyed in connection with a building mentioned in sub-paragraph (a); or

(c)a wall or other means of enclosure within the curtilage of a building mentioned in sub-paragraph (a).

[Read it here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/2231/article/12 ]

If you're wondering if this H&S exemption applies to us, then look at this

Managing through drought: code of practice and guidance for water companies on water use restrictions 2023

(All UK water companies are signatories to this)

[Read the full thing here : https://ukwir.org/update-to-the-drought-code-of-practice-2013]

Relevant statutory and non statutory exemptions are listed on page 73 and 81 and especially page 128 and 188

Apparently, in the 2011-2012 drought, some of the water companies told window cleaners to go back to using ladders.  Window cleaners (it was actually representations made by The BWCA) pointed out to them that this would breach the Work at Height regulations, as a safer alternative could be used.  The result was that, in drafting the new Tempoary Use Bans, (again at the urging of the BWCA) , they decided that protecting people from the serious risk of falls from height trumped saving the tiny amount of water (relatively speaking) that window cleaners use.
 
A good result.

dazmond

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2025, 08:27:23 am »
There's absolutely no way I'd go back to using ladders....

I have lots of windows to clean every day that are inaccessible.

WFP has allowed me to accrue lots of jobs that would be impossible to clean on my own using ladders.
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simon w

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2025, 07:08:17 pm »
Anyone else had the email from Spotless Water to say they WONT be restricted to selling water during a hosepipe ban.

Government need our tax they don't tell industry to stop using water so they are forced to stop work.

Jay Le Huray

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2025, 02:30:35 pm »
This is interesting although it's probably safe to say that most window cleaners don't have a blue badge

Blue Badge holders typically qualify for exemption based on mobility or medical needs, but this recognition often requires a formal process.

Water companies need to verify the specific circumstances of each individual, as not all disabilities impact water use in the same way.

For instance, someone who requires regular vehicle cleaning due to limited mobility or someone who depends on a garden for therapeutic activities may have stronger grounds for exemption than others.

In the case of Southern Water, the company has clearly stated that customers who are on their Priority Services Register which includes Blue Badge holders and those receiving the WaterSure tariff are exempt from current hosepipe bans.

This allows eligible individuals to continue using a hosepipe for essential purposes without the risk of fines or enforcement actions.

AuRavelling79

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2025, 03:43:05 pm »
This is interesting although it's probably safe to say that most window cleaners don't have a blue badge

Blue Badge holders typically qualify for exemption based on mobility or medical needs, but this recognition often requires a formal process.

Water companies need to verify the specific circumstances of each individual, as not all disabilities impact water use in the same way.

For instance, someone who requires regular vehicle cleaning due to limited mobility or someone who depends on a garden for therapeutic activities may have stronger grounds for exemption than others.

In the case of Southern Water, the company has clearly stated that customers who are on their Priority Services Register which includes Blue Badge holders and those receiving the WaterSure tariff are exempt from current hosepipe bans.

This allows eligible individuals to continue using a hosepipe for essential purposes without the risk of fines or enforcement actions.

I can walk with a limp.
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