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paul alan

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Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« on: May 12, 2017, 09:21:08 pm »
I recently upgraded my 300gpd which was giving me around 300ltr per 24hr to a 450gpd( extra 150 membrane)  and its now giving me 500ltr per day which is sufficient.

But my ppm's rising too quick! Im going through lots of resin.

I fill a 1000 ltr ibc and transfer, I dont use a booster pump ( maybe I should?)

My taps come out at 175ppm on average which isnt bad and i think it comes through ro at 20ppm before resin, I use 1 of them little 1ltr polishers. I do have a 25ltr resin vessel but realy cant be arsed resin changes with that anymore, reet pita.

What should I do?

Dont want to spend too much on the problem if possible so please dont say say buy something expensive. Cheers

Shrek

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2017, 09:53:27 pm »
Did you say you use a 1ltr resin vessel or do you use a 25ltr resin vessel?

paul alan

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2017, 09:56:34 pm »
I use the 1ltr, the 25's a bitch to change out.

Shrek

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2017, 10:01:19 pm »
I woulda thought the amount of 1ltr changes would be a pain , i use an 11.7ltr and iv just ordered another one so I can double DI .
I spoke to vyair about my Tds going up from 3 to 10 ppm in 7 months from new. They said their membranes last a 12 months and in that time , production slows down and tds rises.
I'm thinking my only option is to buy new membranes every 12 months or use a hell of a lot of resin to cope with the rising tds

sunshine windows

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2017, 10:04:11 pm »
Get a booster pump!

When I used a 450gpd from Purefreedom, I used to get between 4-11ppm from the RO on tap water off 300+.

This produced 10's of 1000ltrs of water
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paul alan

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2017, 10:06:56 pm »
Will using a pump bring the tds down?

sunshine windows

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2017, 10:07:53 pm »
Yes it should do
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Shrek

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2017, 10:09:12 pm »
Iv always used a pump ✊, thought it was the norm - my RO has 2 booster pumps from vyair

paul alan

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2017, 10:14:28 pm »
Looks like a pump then!

Cheers

paul alan

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2017, 10:23:06 pm »
Theres loads of diff spec boosters, what spec do I need?

jo5hm4n

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2017, 01:48:29 am »
Paul i use a 450GPD RO from Pure Freedom to an IBC Tank with a booster pump.  My tap TDS is about 160-165 and it comes out before DI of between 5-9ppm.  I now use a 6.5 Ltr tank of Resin to polish it off and this literally lasts me months before i need to change the resin, works an absolute treat!

paul alan

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2017, 08:42:37 am »
Paul i use a 450GPD RO from Pure Freedom to an IBC Tank with a booster pump.  My tap TDS is about 160-165 and it comes out before DI of between 5-9ppm.  I now use a 6.5 Ltr tank of Resin to polish it off and this literally lasts me months before i need to change the resin, works an absolute treat!
wwhat spec is your booster josh?

 We are basicaly in the sameish area so how many hoursvto fill a 1000ltr tank?

Was that you on broadway on wednesday dinnertime?

Cheers.

jk999

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2017, 08:44:05 am »
Paul when you change your resin how quick does your resin rise what tds do you let it rise to before you change it

paul alan

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2017, 09:18:56 am »
Paul when you change your resin how quick does your resin rise what tds do you let it rise to before you change it
Hi my resin has risen to 18ppm within a week when I first realised( 2000ltr ).

jk999

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2017, 09:44:47 am »
Wow that is quick

Spruce

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2017, 09:57:51 am »
I recently upgraded my 300gpd which was giving me around 300ltr per 24hr to a 450gpd( extra 150 membrane)  and its now giving me 500ltr per day which is sufficient.

But my ppm's rising too quick! Im going through lots of resin.

I fill a 1000 ltr ibc and transfer, I dont use a booster pump ( maybe I should?)

My taps come out at 175ppm on average which isnt bad and i think it comes through ro at 20ppm before resin, I use 1 of them little 1ltr polishers. I do have a 25ltr resin vessel but realy cant be arsed resin changes with that anymore, reet pita.

What should I do?

Dont want to spend too much on the problem if possible so please dont say say buy something expensive. Cheers

I would suggest the solution is to find out why your r/o is working so inefficiently.

Tap water 175ppm and pure after r/o 20ppm means that the r/o is only removing 89% of the impurities in your water. It should be between 97 and 99%. So your rejection should be about 3 to 4ppm. Mine ran on 40psi with 250 ppm in and 4ppm out after r/o with no booster pump. I had a 3 to 1 inline restrictor. We had some major pipe work done in the area and our tap water improved to 120ppm. The r/o 

You need to take the tds of the pure leaving each membrane and identify which one is at fault.

Are all the membranes 150GPD?

Have you got the right restrictor - in other words, what is your pure to waste ratio.

You could always add a pressure gauge onto the r/o. A small one with a rear 1/4" push fit is fine. It will just need a bit of 1/4" tubing and a 1/4" push fit John Guest Tee. I had one on my r/o between the prefilters

The di vessel that comes with the r/o is too small and a waste of time for window cleaning. I would suggest a 7 liter di vessel as it will last longer and is easier to empty and refill with resin.


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jo5hm4n

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Re: Ppm rising too quick on my 450gpd upgrade
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2017, 11:46:28 am »
Paul i use a 450GPD RO from Pure Freedom to an IBC Tank with a booster pump.  My tap TDS is about 160-165 and it comes out before DI of between 5-9ppm.  I now use a 6.5 Ltr tank of Resin to polish it off and this literally lasts me months before i need to change the resin, works an absolute treat!
wwhat spec is your booster josh?

 We are basicaly in the sameish area so how many hoursvto fill a 1000ltr tank?

Was that you on broadway on wednesday dinnertime?

Cheers.


Mines an 24v Aquatec one, i got it from purefreedom when they did my setup for me, i think it's listed on there website.  I don't really monitor it that much just simply because it produces water so much faster, but if i go out for the working day with the IBC half filled, by the time i get home 8 hours later it's full.  So in other words easily do 1000 Litres in a day.  Booster pump makes a massive difference though.

Yeah that was me, i saw your van pull up, keep bumping into you loads lately ha.  Weather has been smashing for working this week in Gele.